# Is it all about pvp? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 8, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920 "2018-09-08T18:13:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/141 "2018-09-09T12:37:18Z")
PvP and PvE are not the same, but in EVE due to rules/mechanics, PvP permeates into PvE, if another player chooses to do so. To boil it down, PvE is not PvP exclusive in EVE, as it may be in other games, but that does not make PvE and PvP the same in EVE or overall as concepts. The notions that mining a space rock, alone, is PvP, or that players that left the game 10yrs ago are still PvPing in EVE, are absurd and false. ---
**Author:** ![Veryez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veryez/32/508712_2.png) [@Veryez](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veryez)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/142 "2018-09-09T14:00:54Z")
> [@Rising\_Prime](#): > > i jave spend plex ao i can become a billionaire Why is this important to you? What do you need a billion isk for if your goal is PVE? Especially since you fly mostly frigates and cruisers (and like to mine it seems). Rich is EvE simple means you can afford the ships you want to fly. If your goal is capitals, then I suggest planning ahead and setting smaller goals to start with. Try to enjoy the trip rather than always looking at the destination. You’ve been in Goon and PL, so anyone telling him to go to Delve is ignoring the fact that he’s already been there. > [@Rising\_Prime](#): > > .my lack of time to put in this game made me poor Set a goal for yourself that’s achievable. End your gaming session with more isk than you started. If that’s too hard, then make the goal, have more isk at the end of the week, than at the beginning. Here’s an example of the failure of the Rubicon plan. The OP ran out to null because of the immense wealth out there, but never really learned how to play EvE. Obviously, your time in PL and Goon, haven’t taught you either. EvE is about PvP, plain and simple. Whether you do it by shooting, mining, selling, ratting, exploring, anything, you are competing against other players for wealth. To ask for a PvE only server, is basically asking to not play EvE. If you like this game, you have to accept that you are always competing against other players. What you need is to learn how to compete, and control that environment. Right now SOV null is involved with a rather large war. If you don’t have the time/inclination to be part of that - leave. There are (still) some corps left that will take you under their wing and teach you how to play EvE. You need to find them. Make friends, do things together, there’s many things you can do in EvE to earn isk that are actually fun too. If you want to play EvE casually, believe me, you can. ---
**Author:** ![Algarion\_Getz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algarion_getz/32/356396_2.png) [@Algarion\_Getz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algarion_Getz)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/143 "2018-09-09T16:01:06Z")
Shhhh. Dont tell them. ---
**Author:** ![Dread\_Saboteur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dread_saboteur/32/270709_2.png) [@Dread\_Saboteur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dread_Saboteur)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/144 "2018-09-09T17:09:26Z")
You just need to be careful when doing pve and no one can touch you plus you have a large alliance and it’s jump bridge network and Intel to help you. Awareness of your surroundings is huge in EVE si is knowledge I’d advise you to stick around some older players chat alot become friends and absorb info they give you. I’ve done pve almost anywhere in EVE in everything from t1 frigs to supers and never been caught ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/145 "2018-09-10T09:20:05Z")
> [@Milana\_Pollard](#): > > PVE AND PVP ARE THE SAME THING IN THIS GAME. no… ---
**Author:** ![Charley\_Varrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/charley_varrick/32/134094_2.png) [@Charley\_Varrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Charley_Varrick)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/146 "2018-09-10T11:40:20Z")
Yes yes…Remember OP…everything is PvP. Even logging off to go take a dump is PvP because while your taking a dump you are denying other players PvP…which is also a form of PvP. So, After a long day of work (PvP) come home and eat dinner (PvP), spend time with family (PvP), get a shower (PvP), maybe watch some TV (PvP) and then log on and play. No mater what you do your PvPing. And to all the players who just rolled your eyes at my comment…you just PvPed. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/147 "2018-09-10T11:44:11Z")
EVE The only game ever you still PvP in while bio-break, left 10yrs ago, or flat out died. Apparently the \>6 bil humans on Earth, including babies, and all past, present, future generations are involved in EVE PvP. But thats ok, cos stones cant PvP! (Or can they…?!) ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/148 "2018-09-10T11:52:56Z")
do you agree that competing on the market is pvp ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/149 "2018-09-10T11:59:43Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > do you agree that competing on the market is pvp Yes, ofc. It involves other players. ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/150 "2018-09-10T12:02:33Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > But thats ok, cos stones cant PvP! > (Or can they…?!) Stones are like ships in EVE: Not a weapon until used by humans for that purpose. In that sense, stones can very well PVP, just not voluntarily. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/151 "2018-09-10T12:04:23Z")
> [@Rivr\_Luzade](#): > > Not a weapon until used by humans for that purpose. Its the human using the stone to PvP. The stone/ship is just a device used in PvP. It cannot participate in PvP, without a player using it for that purpose. ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/152 "2018-09-10T12:06:57Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > The stone/ship is just a device used in PvP. The stone does not tell the human not to use it as a weapon. Just like a ship in EVE does not tell the user not to use it as a weapon. Guilty and active in the act by association. As said, it involuntarily participates in PVP. Oh, and ore in EVE is also rock, and that is traded on the market, mined and used to build weapons. Lots of PVP with those rocks as well. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/153 "2018-09-10T12:07:39Z")
so lets make a hypothetical example lets say small antimatter charges are 20isk each on sell orders and 15isk each on buy orders i buy all antimatter charges under 30isk and place a buy order for 10bn units of antimatter at 30 isk per unit for 3 months in jita this means if anyone else wants to place a buy order for antimatter they will have to outbid my buy order and pay over double they previously were as you agree this is pvp pvp which still affects people until the buy order is fulfilled or 3 months have passed not including the extra buy orders other people have placed to outbid me it will take months for the market to recover maybe years maybe never i can place that buy order and never log into the game again yet my buy order is still affecting the market still screwing up that part of the economy and i will still be pvping months or years later even though i never logged in again so please quit with the pedantic arguments and patronising comments ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/154 "2018-09-10T12:07:46Z")
> [@Rivr\_Luzade](#): > > It involuntarily participates in PVP. It has no volition. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/155 "2018-09-10T12:10:55Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > so please quit with the pedantic arguments and patronising comments You are the one taking this to pedantic, and utterly absurd, false, extremes. You mistake me correcting you, with patronisation. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/156 "2018-09-10T12:12:25Z")
cool so you have no argument in fact i dont think youve had a single argument in this entire thread youre just here to troll ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/157 "2018-09-10T12:13:22Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > EVE > > The only game ever you still PvP in while bio-break, left 10yrs ago, or flat out died. > > Apparently the \>6 bil humans on Earth, including babies, and all past, present, future generations are involved in EVE PvP. > > But thats ok, cos stones cant PvP! > (Or can they…?!) this is patronising i didnt want to even continue the discussion but this comment made me want to prove you entirely wrong which i just did so this argument is over ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/158 "2018-09-10T12:14:05Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > you have no argument That is demonstrably, utterly false. Ive presented many arguments. But, here is an argument presented as a question: Is Genghis Khan, whom died centuries ago, involved in EVE PvP? Am I, as not logged into EVE atm, involved in PvP ingame? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/159 "2018-09-10T12:15:38Z")
pvp is a metaphysical concept applied to video games perhaps you are having difficulties distinguishing fantasy from reality and i am partly to blame for that for humouring your hypothetical and weird questions earlier in the thread i now realise i was in error to engage you at that point ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/160 "2018-09-10T12:16:33Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > perhaps you are having difficulties distinguishing fantasy from reality Funny that. Seems to me, that is exactly what you are having, not I. You do realise that EVE is a self-contained virtual environment that people, past present and future, may or may not engage in, right? Do you think me creating sculptures on this hilltop constitutes PvP in EVE? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920.md?page=9)