# Is mining only done by being in a large corp now? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 4, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929 "2020-01-04T19:54:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/62 "2020-02-20T16:17:04Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > I know you don’t usually high sec mine, like I said, I showed it to a friend and it is totally fked for new players. It is totally easy to warp away from Triglavian rats in a Venture, even if you have poor reflexes and don’t d-scan. Managed to get away even before they locked me. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/64 "2020-02-20T16:19:02Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > It is totally easy to warp away from Triglavian rats in a Venture, even if you have poor reflexes and don’t d-scan. Managed to get away even before they locked me. Absolutely, do that every 5 minutes for an hour and then think “Boy, fun game”. We should have these NPCs also patrol L1 mission sites, see how that works out. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/65 "2020-02-20T16:19:07Z")
Just mine in a Skiff and pay attention and you have absolutely zero to worry about. Go mine ice. The Trigs don’t patrol ice anoms… ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/66 "2020-02-20T16:20:30Z")
> [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > I am not talking about mining I am talking about defending yourself from rats while alone with a mining ship shouldn’t be easy. Keeping in mind this is a core new player experience, **solo experience**. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/67 "2020-02-20T16:24:39Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Absolutely, do that every 5 minutes for an hour and then think “Boy, fun game”. And the problem is not in those rats. The problem is that mining is not fun per se; that’s why players need external content like Netflix while mining. Removal of rats won’t solve this problem (but will return AFK iskies, yes…). A complete overhaul of mining might solve it. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/68 "2020-02-20T16:28:06Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > A complete overhaul of mining might solve it. Ok, so we add these rats to L1 missions and then when they ROFLSTOMP new players we say “Missions need a complete overhaul”. /facepalm I don’t get why all these supposed PvPers are suddenly defending these annoying NPCs? ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/70 "2020-02-20T16:29:38Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > when they ROFLSTOMP new players Instead of miners, most L1 mission runners have their attention on the game and would not be ROFLSTOMPed. > [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > I don’t get why all these supposed PvPers are suddenly defending these annoying NPCs? I’m not a PvPer. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/71 "2020-02-20T16:31:07Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Instead of miners, most L1 mission runners have their attention on the game and would not be ROFLSTOMPed. A new player in a T1 frigate is not going to kill those rats. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/72 "2020-02-20T16:32:36Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > A new player in a T1 frigate is not going to kill those rats. But he/she can warp away and wait for a few minutes. After all, those rats already patrol stations and gates, and this apparently does not cause problems for new players in T1 frigates. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/73 "2020-02-20T16:36:33Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > But he/she can warp away and wait for a few minutes. REALLY? 🤪 Does that sound fun to you? Do you think that is “good game design”? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/74 "2020-02-20T16:38:47Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > After all, those rats already patrol stations and gates, and this apparently does not cause problems for new players in T1 frigates. /facepam You don’t try to remain at a gate, or outside a station, it is a transient activity. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/75 "2020-02-20T16:39:47Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Does that sound fun to you? Well, the fun thing would be to engage those Triglavians in a fight and most likely lose your ship. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/76 "2020-02-20T16:41:29Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Well, the fun thing would be to engage those Triglavians in a fight and most likely lose your ship. And you don’t think that when new players face rats those rats should be balanced in such a way that the new player has a chance to win? Do you just post the first thing that pops into your head? ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/77 "2020-02-20T16:44:58Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > And you don’t think that when new players face rats those rats should be balanced in such a way that the new player has a chance to win? Nope. Groups of rats that can be easily killed in noobships have no justification to be in game, except for tutorial. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/78 "2020-02-20T16:51:25Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Nope. Groups of rats that can be easily killed in noobships have no justification to be in game, except for tutorial. How did we go from “have a chance” to easily? Don’t make stuff up. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/79 "2020-02-20T16:52:47Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > How did we go from “have a chance” to easily? Well, you considered “have a chance” and “most likely fail” to be not the same. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/80 "2020-02-20T16:54:32Z")
That’s because most likely fail was also ■■■■■■■■. A T1 frigate cannot take those rats, ever. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/81 "2020-02-20T16:54:49Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > I don’t get why all these supposed PvPers are suddenly defending these annoying NPCs? If you mean to include me, I am not defending annoying NPC, I just don’t agree you can not mine without being bothered by them. That is why I hopped in a noob ship and mined for half an hour just to see what happens. The only thing that happened was a retriever joined my belt. Mining in and on itself is a horribly bad part of the game and you might have thought that after almost 17 years CCP would have found a to improve it (besides annoying NPC). But alas, it is CCP and what they do come up with is ■■■■■■■ red dots instead of actually improving the game. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/82 "2020-02-20T16:59:16Z")
I don’t get all of the hate for mining. Just sounds like a bunch of lazy people whining to me. Personally, I enjoy mining, and consider it much more enjoyable and faster to do it at the keyboard rather than away… ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929/83 "2020-02-20T17:00:28Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > The only thing that happened was a retriever joined my belt. Beginners luck? 😜 I believe these are tied to Emerging Conduits and also it may have to do with volume or ore mined. PvE people would know more. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-mining-only-done-by-being-in-a-large-corp-now/209929.md?page=5)