# Is owning a freighter really worth it? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 20, 2023, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196 "2023-12-20T01:49:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/81 "2023-12-20T16:07:11Z")
I generally tell newbies to just make different alpha accounts for different play styles or to try things out, while training the basics on their main character until they really know what they want to be doing. If they plan to stay alpha it’s more logical anyway, you can use a referral for them and they can all train independently. ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/82 "2023-12-20T16:13:49Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > I generally tell newbies to just make different alpha accounts for different play styles or to try things out, while training the basics on their main character until they really know what they want to be doing. If they plan to stay alpha it’s more logical anyway, you can use a referral for them and they can all train independently That’s also a good plan for someonewho has no idea where to begin, hasn’t read about the game, the patch notes or the lore. Personally I’d rather have one account with the second and third characters as support for my main. It’s a slower process without the million sp in a second account but what’s the rush? It’s not like EvE is going anywhere anytime soon. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/83 "2023-12-20T16:18:35Z")
Yup. “try it all and figure out what you like and dislike, then take it from there”. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/84 "2023-12-20T16:19:19Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > even in my own guild I have a guy who admits to multi-boxing 👀 Uh oh, inb4 the nuclear devastation. 😈 🍿 😇 ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/85 "2023-12-20T16:35:08Z")
Haha, whoops. You caught me. XD ---
**Author:** ![Haatokka\_Oni\_Makanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haatokka_oni_makanen/32/468027_2.png) [@Haatokka\_Oni\_Makanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haatokka_Oni_Makanen)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/86 "2023-12-20T17:18:50Z")
I spent first 13 months mining in my venture as an alpha and having no other objective other than building my first ship. I got omega almost two months ago and started actually playing the game. It’s confusing I know. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/87 "2023-12-20T17:28:31Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > It’s a logical fallacy the moment _I poked her for fun_. There, fixed it. I didn’t realize making a bit of fun and poking at her (which we do from time to time) would turn into a dissertation from you. But I guess that’s what happens when you lack context. Turn a bit of ribbing into a lecture. Partly my fault for biting in the first place and maintaining that it was sunk cause (which it was, btw). Because at the end of the day, no one cares. ---
**Author:** ![Haatokka\_Oni\_Makanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haatokka_oni_makanen/32/468027_2.png) [@Haatokka\_Oni\_Makanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haatokka_Oni_Makanen)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/88 "2023-12-20T17:43:21Z")
Yes I do. I researched the thing very thoroughly as I wrote in the post. I just came in here to discuss it. Because the way it plays now is very frustrating. There are people advocating for low m3, high value, so they love cruising in smaller t2 haulers. But there are some (including me) that really want high m3, low value with chonky freighters. It just gives more industrial sci-fi vibe, at least to me. I could move 1bil 5 m3 thing in my corvette, but that’s not what I myself want to do. It’s just not safe enough. Corp or not. ---
**Author:** ![Kaeptn\_Bleibaer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaeptn_bleibaer/32/418926_2.png) [@Kaeptn\_Bleibaer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaeptn_Bleibaer)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/89 "2023-12-20T17:48:33Z")
I mean, at the end of the day, you can transport with a freighter whatever you want, if you find the hauling contracts. Just be aware that you are not only flying your ship, but other people’s stuff, too. And even though 50 to 70 ship gank fleets are not too common in HiSec, they do exist and happen. Which brings me back to golden rule number one of Eve: Do not undock what you can’t afford to lose. You need to make a LOT of flawless low value deliveries to get back the cost of a freighter. ---
**Author:** ![Haatokka\_Oni\_Makanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haatokka_oni_makanen/32/468027_2.png) [@Haatokka\_Oni\_Makanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haatokka_Oni_Makanen)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/90 "2023-12-20T17:55:14Z")
Just in the last 7 days there were 3 ganked freighters in the Forge alone. That’s way too common. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/91 "2023-12-20T17:58:06Z")
Why is that too common? ---
**Author:** ![Kaeptn\_Bleibaer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaeptn_bleibaer/32/418926_2.png) [@Kaeptn\_Bleibaer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaeptn_Bleibaer)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/92 "2023-12-20T17:58:23Z")
Then you maybe see the point as valid that some of us made: Use the correct tool for the job, not the most expensive one. But, if it is your express wish to fly a freighter casually, no one will stop you from doing so. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/93 "2023-12-20T18:10:06Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Yes, anectodal evidence is enough to prove argument is wrong. No it doesn’t. Just because one person survived jumping out of an aircraft without a parachute does not mean doing so is safe and anyone can do it. I have seen the sort of bogus use of ‘logical fallacies’ that you use before…from people who seem to think all they have to do is shout ‘logical fallacy’ and they automatically win any argument. The trouble is that such a tactic is itself more often than not a logical fallacy…when someone is checking every sentence everyone says against some list of logical fallacies that entire line of reasoning is the bigger fallacy. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/94 "2023-12-20T18:12:45Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Just because one person survived jumping out of an aircraft without a parachute does not mean doing so is safe and anyone can do it. No, it means it is possible. So his two choices argument is wrong because there exists another one. So yes, anecdotal evidence is enough to prove that a “either-or” argument is fallacious. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > when someone is checking every sentence everyone says against some list of logical fallacies that entire line of reasoning is the bigger fallacy. No, it’s called logic. What is fallacious is to pretend that someone whom you disagree with is fallacious/dishonnest. It’s called a ad hominem. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/95 "2023-12-20T18:16:03Z")
No, right back at you. I don’t need lessons in logical fallacies from someone engaging in the fallacy fallacy. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/96 "2023-12-20T18:16:53Z")
perfect example of ad hominem. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/97 "2023-12-20T18:18:55Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > What is fallacious is to pretend that someone whom you disagree with is fallacious/dishonnest. It’s called a ad hominem. No it isn’t…which shows how much you genuinely grasp logic. Ad hominem is argument directed at a person _instead_ of the point they are making. If the entire point is that the point they are making is wrong…that is not ad hominem. Seriously, get a clue about logic before you start acting like you are some Ninja warrior at it. Your _absurd re-definition_ of ad hominem would make it ad hominem for anyone to ever say you were wrong about anything. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/98 "2023-12-20T18:33:36Z")
Two dummies each claiming they are the smart one. A pretty low bar, if you ask me. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/99 "2023-12-20T18:37:06Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > Two dummies each claiming they are the smart one. Beats one dummy thinking they are going to win the Oscar Wilde 2023 Sarcasm Awards. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-owning-a-freighter-really-worth-it/433196/100 "2023-12-21T00:22:26Z")
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