# Is there a reason I've never seen Legion Armor Logi fits? **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [October 29, 2017, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917 "2017-10-29T06:55:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/21 "2017-10-29T22:46:15Z")
I wasn’t suggesting an increase in the armor repping, just sig decrease from 180 to 120, a reduction of high slots to 4 and 10% less cap use on armor reps. They would still rep less than the guardian, the only advantage is the larger buffer while hardeners are overheated (which can’t last forever due to heat damage). The guardian also has a sig radius of 80. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/22 "2017-10-29T22:47:38Z")
The loki or Legion? ---
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/23 "2017-10-29T22:48:49Z")
The legion. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/24 "2017-10-29T22:50:51Z")
Hmm. I was flying the logi-link Legion on SiSi for a bit and even fighters had a hard time doing any damage to her. I would take it, no question but I don’t think it does make much of a difference. ---
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2017, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/25 "2017-10-29T23:07:54Z")
> [@elitatwo](#): > > Logistics is the super specialized ship class for on-grid reps. There are 2 categories, armor and shield. The Guardian and Basilisk are best suited for fleet work and work best in numbers bigger or equal to 2. > > The Oneiros is more of a solo-armor Guardian for smaller gangs and the scimitar is the small gang kind of solo-rep boat. I think the comparison of what an Oneiros or Scythe can hold versus what 3 cap-chained Guards can hold is so lopsided there is really no comparison. One is brought out with hacs down to even assault frigates, but the others are seen holding their own in a battleship engagement. How do you figure balance into that? Basi 6 highs; Guard 6 highs; Oneiros 4 highs; Scimitar 4 highs. Now look at the pg for each. Basi has stupid high pg with 30% more pg over Scimitar, while Oneiros sports less pg by only about 50. Both Basi and Guard have higher armor and shield than their counter parts by 500+. That’s real \*\*\*\*\* balancing, imo. Same lows on both armor ships and same amount of mids on both shield. The Oneiros and the Scythe get less useful slots where they currently hold more on. ---
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2017, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/26 "2017-10-29T23:19:19Z")
The Oneriros is actually pretty decent. We have yet to lose any in our valhalla armor fleets. They can be made practically immune to ECM and cap stable for 24 reloads of cap charges (assuming large anc rep is not being used when it runs out of charges). I have however lost every guardian I’ve handed out to date. lol. It’s medium armor bots are also better in the event that it does get jammed. [Oneiros, Valhalla Necromancer] Armor Explosive Hardener II 800mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates Armor EM Hardener II Reactive Armor Hardener Armor Explosive Hardener II 10MN Afterburner II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Sensor Booster II, ECCM Script Sensor Booster II, ECCM Script Large Ancillary Remote Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Medium Anti-Thermal Pump II Medium Anti-Thermal Pump II Medium Armor Maintenance Bot II x5 Nanite Repair Paste x320 Navy Cap Booster 800 x24 ---
**Author:** ![Gian\_Bal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gian_bal/32/397310_2.png) [@Gian\_Bal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gian_Bal)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2017, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/27 "2017-10-29T23:19:42Z")
Well that would be silly. If you could make a T3 outperform a T2 Ship specialised in a certain field, for example logi/recons/hacs etc. Then what would be the point in owning anything but a T3 cruiser and just refitting it whenever you need? ---
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/28 "2017-10-29T23:22:18Z")
Skill point loss on death. Nuff said. Also it’s not better than the guardian in most situations, it has 33% less rep power and 50% larger sig. It’s only use would be against alpha fleets so you can buffer to 200kehp. Even then, the lower sig of the guardian might still make it more likely to survive against battleship weapons. This would work best against BC arty fleets. It should be made slightly more viable for that special occasion. ---
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/29 "2017-10-30T00:03:25Z")
When was the last time you fit a 800mm plate on a guardian? I get the immunity to ECM. The utility is great and having extra lows on a Scythe is a big reason you see many of them fit with reactor controls. People continue to underestimate utility drones. Yet… The fitting is lopsided terribly to favor the extra fitting required for cap transfers. Why not add another specialization to Oneiros and Scythe at least? Maybe bonus to effectiveness of modules requiring Energy Grid Upgrades, so that they play their small gang roles even better. ---
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/30 "2017-10-30T00:13:54Z")
Best buff for scythe and onerios would be a special cargo bay for cap boosters. It’s hideous that a Guardian has a larger cargo bay and an Onerios when the Oneiros is the ship that requires that cap boosters. Makes them unsuitable for extended fights. ---
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/31 "2017-10-30T00:15:57Z")
Strange, since the Exequror has an unusually large cargo in comparison to other cruisers. ---
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/32 "2017-10-30T00:18:34Z")
These are the Guards I send out for longer fights, look at all them damn cap boosters! [Guardian, Valhalla Warlock] Armor Thermal Hardener II Reactive Armor Hardener 1600mm Steel Plates II Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Armor Kinetic Hardener II 10MN Afterburner II Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 150 Centum C-Type Medium Remote Armor Repairer Medium Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Ancillary Remote Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Large Remote Armor Repairer II Centum C-Type Medium Remote Armor Repairer Centum C-Type Medium Remote Armor Repairer Medium Anti-EM Pump II Medium Anti-EM Pump II Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x5 Nanite Repair Paste x320 Targeting Range Script x1 Scan Resolution Script x1 Navy Cap Booster 150 x52 Navy Cap Booster 400 x18 ECCM Script x1 ---
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/33 "2017-10-30T00:20:22Z")
::tongue in cheek:: Oye, Look at that 1600mm plate! ---
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/34 "2017-10-30T00:21:47Z")
Yeah, I send out the Oneiros against non-alpha fleets that I don’t expect to fight for over 15 minutes. I can’t devise a way to 1600mm plate them without severely gimping them. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/35 "2017-10-30T00:22:10Z")
Where’s your large cap transfer(s)? Damn, missing the magic cap creator… ---
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/36 "2017-10-30T00:22:37Z")
You don’t need it. They put out 4200 hp/s on a 87% omni resist vessel while being cap stable. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/37 "2017-10-30T00:23:11Z")
Then I’d use the ONi ---
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/38 "2017-10-30T00:24:09Z")
Man, donchu see? If you baby one of the highs and go for some deadspace mediums, you can pull off the 1600 plate. Look at those resists. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/39 "2017-10-30T00:28:52Z")
I’m just not seeing cap boosters on a Guard or Basi… shrugs… ---
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-a-reason-ive-never-seen-legion-armor-logi-fits/34917/40 "2017-10-30T00:29:39Z")
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