# Is there any plans to close the loop hole that is ganking? **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [February 21, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769 "2018-02-21T13:58:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/184 "2018-02-28T17:35:33Z")
Not if you’re fighting a losing battle. You’ll just get blown up like the rest of your fleet and the attackers will collect the loot anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Khan\_Wrenth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khan_wrenth/32/14130_2.png) [@Khan\_Wrenth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khan_Wrenth)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/185 "2018-02-28T17:39:43Z")
Devil’s advocate- Range to loot is 2,500m. Range to target and shoot is whatever your optimal and reasonable falloff is, with less time to burn to target. Also, it’s likely that if you’re on the losing end, that your ability to flee might already be cut off. Bubbles, or lots of ship pointing might keep you on the field and you might not be dead yet. But you can still reach out and deny loot from some weak wrecks. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/186 "2018-02-28T17:47:23Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You could also loot them yourself. For a variety of reasons, this is not always practice. In some cases, you are trapped in a bubble with no hope of escape. If you loot the wrecks, you just increase your lossmail value (inflating their killboard value) and there is a chance that half the loot will drop again anyways. Other times, fights are not stationary. People anchor on the FC or other designated party. During the course of the fight, both sides try to keep in optimal range and path of wreckage is left behind. It may not be possible to reach all wrecks in this case even if you can extract. Capital ships may have joined the fight at one spot, a support fleet on the opposite side with the enemy fleet in between. You would have to fly through the enemy to get to the wrecks which may be suicidal. Large scale battles are not always line up, stay still, and shoot. The fluidity means that wreckage can be spread out. Yes looting and scooting is best, but sometimes just denying the loot is all you have. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/187 "2018-02-28T18:14:23Z")
I never said ganking was either cheap or expensive. The cost of ganking, whether a 10mil desty or a 100mil battlecruiser, is factored into the gank. I do, however, love how your “example” of how it’s not always the miner’s fault does, in fact, demonstrates just how right I am. ---
**Author:** ![Tirkibo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tirkibo/32/275146_2.png) [@Tirkibo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tirkibo)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/188 "2018-03-01T00:57:55Z")
Probably the best reply in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/189 "2018-03-01T01:20:13Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Obviously I use alt for posting on forum. Why? It’s not like posting on you gank alt will seriously affect that character’s ability to operate. I did think about switching to Eve Griefer to reply, but I’ve been embarrassingly inactive. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 2:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/190 "2018-03-01T02:37:23Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Obviously I use alt for posting on forum. > > You know why? Because first thing peoples like you do is to check the name on killboard. I wouldn’t want to link a board that’s only full of venture kills either > [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Your\_Ex\_Girlfrind alike are overexaggerating the cost of the ganking and trying to persuade that it is victim fault he got ganked. This is wrong. It’s easy to say ganking is cheap when you’re on the lowest rung of the ladder. It is almost always the victims fault for making themselves a better target than the person next to them. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/191 "2018-03-02T01:51:36Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > It is almost always the victims fault for making themselves a better target than the person next to them. This bears repeating. ---
**Author:** ![Alever\_Caldari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alever_caldari/32/152907_2.png) [@Alever\_Caldari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alever_Caldari)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/192 "2018-03-02T10:09:11Z")
yeah its called undocking, We are murdering Freighters right now as we speak, some resist and hull with empty cargo. we kill them anyways. death to all transports. ---
**Author:** ![Tengu\_Grib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tengu_grib/32/130944_2.png) [@Tengu\_Grib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tengu_Grib)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/193 "2018-03-04T15:53:04Z")
So you’re saying I could trick carebears into killing peoples structure just by docking in said structure? Sounds kinda fun. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/194 "2018-03-05T12:15:47Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > I did think about switching to Eve Griefer to reply, but I’ve been embarrassingly inactive. Nobody cares. Seriously stop personal attacks on the forum. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > It’s easy to say ganking is cheap when you’re on the lowest rung of the ladder. And then what ? Are you saying what he says is wrong ? No, you are agreeing with him and then making personal aggressions because you can’t accept it. That’s really childish. > [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > I believe the only way to change the system is to get more players on the path of suicide ganking. Compared to other activities, only minority of players are gankers, until there will be more gankers than miners CCP won’t change a ■■■■. So it is simple - we need more gankers to show CCP that something needs to be done. I totally agree with you, but for different reasons. I think we won’t have correct discussions unless we have many people that want to discuss about the topic - and as you noticed many gankers are so mindfucked with they own crap they are not even able to accept their lies as they are and prevent constructive discussion. I think you are right when you say gankers and gankees say crap, and we need more suicide gankers in the game. The matter IMO is that this activity is limited in capacity of people doing it. I mean, if everybody starts suicide ganking, by definition there will not be anyone to suicide gank. Also, if suicide ganking becomes too present, people will leave Eve because they would spend time to lose isks (remember that some people just want to shoot asteroids and chill while watching netflix) ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/197 "2018-03-05T14:17:07Z")
You’re telling me that in a game that proposes to mine AFK, people who actually mine AFK are scumbags ? You know the game can very simply prevent you from mining AFK ? Like, having roids with a tenth of the volume, but ten times as many ? You know the game can prevent you from doing any AFK activity, like vni ratting or PI ? You know CCP can’t remove that, otherwise it will be bot online ? You know that the reason why you can have fight, is because the people you fight are not bot, while bots just dock the moment someone enters the system to deny you the content ? You know that the AFK people are the sole reason why this game still exists ? Because they CAN do it ? Because the game actually encourages AFK farming ? ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/198 "2018-03-05T14:24:35Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You’re telling me that in a game that proposes to mine AFK, people who actually mine AFK are scumbags ? I know it is wrong, but I just had to put some extra in the PSA. I hope no one got offended… 😉 > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You know the game can very simply prevent you from mining AFK ? Like, having roids with a tenth of the volume, but ten times as many ? No I didn’t know that. Why doesn’t it?! > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You know the game can prevent you from doing any AFK activity, like vni ratting or PI ? No I didn’t know that. Why doesn’t it?! > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You know CCP can’t remove that, otherwise it will be bot online ? I’m confused here. What can’t they remove? AFK miners or AFK haulers? In both cases why would they? It’s not against the rules as long there is no input automation. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You know that the reason why you can have fight, is because the people you fight are not bot, while bots just dock the moment someone enters the system to deny you the content ? I didn’t knew that. Luckily CCP knows better and will only ban the bots and not the vigilant players you accuse of botting. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You know that the AFK people are the sole reason why this game still exists ? Because they CAN do it ? Because the game actually encourages AFK farming ? Yes, I also play AFK a lot, I even make memes while mining AFK. Some of them I made while hauling AFK. What is said here is not legally binding. It’s just some gaming bro’s venting their opinions. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/207 "2018-03-05T19:10:52Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > Why aren’t the miners flying procurers? You know, the inexpensive barge that boasts in excess of 100,000 EHP while enjoying comparible yield to the other barges? Lie’s I fit for tank and cannot achieve that kind of tank unless I use officer mods, which, makes you a desirable target, and considering that freighters go down in about 10 or 11 seconds with their hp which is like 3X that you say a procurer can get it is only a matter of gankers want cheap thrills without having to actually do any work. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/208 "2018-03-05T20:04:33Z")
First off you are not quoting me. I did say a considerable tank and that it sacrifices yield. I also noted you can go for pure yield and factor in the occasional death into your calculations of profits and losses. Now that being said, the online fitting tool indicates that this fit should get you close to 100k EHP. [Procurer, Unnamed loadout] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II EM Ward Field II Gistum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Adding some implants and you can get over 100k EHP. ---
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/209 "2018-03-05T21:35:34Z")
To be fair I was quoting that which you quote, but yeah that is bit of a crazy fit, gist therm adapt makes it a target along with core defense II because they make the kill shinier, I would never fit rigs that cost more then the hull, nor mods either, you can get great tank with t2 mods that are in line with the cost of the hull, it may not get over 100k in ehp but as folks have said if they want to nothing will stop them, I’d rather fit cheap and give them as little as possible in profit for their troubles. With that fit you can buy so many more hulls, but as I say to each their own, if that fit make people happy I am all for it, it is good for NPC pirates but players. ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/210 "2018-03-05T22:46:54Z")
> [@Alever\_Caldari](#): > > (1) you need to pay 30 a month for to have at least 2 accounts because … > (2) you cant do nothing alone, or carry a frigate with you and dock in every system you have to go through, switch ships, scout next system and rinse and repeat. (1) I or anyone else playing this game does not _NEED TO DO_ anything at all. It’s a sandbox you only need a PC and your mind. In my opinion subbing yearly makes me pay only $10 per account per month. But anyone is free to PLEX it (even if you only PLEX once every few months and gather ISK mining and missioning in a Venture or Drake. Think and you get really ahead in this game. There are so many ways the intelligent and/or clever EVE Online players find to get Omega status… Also you can easily scout with a alpha account on a laptop or second PC. (2) I guess you inadvertently used a double negation and meant the opposite. As I stated above you can scout with an alpha character on a second PC/laptop. But your idea with stuffing the shuttle or small ship (like I on occasion do!) is awesome, great mind think alike! You can even find someone in game to help you achieve mutual goals, it’s an MMO you are in no way obliged to interact with any of the 30 000 online players but you have the opportunity to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/211 "2018-03-05T23:01:18Z")
T2 rigs on a T1 cruiser level ship? Sorry Teckos but you are bling tanking that Proc. That’s not a sensible fit. And then saying ‘add implants to get to 100k’ further proves that claiming the proc has a 100k tank is a joke. A blinged brick tank fit does not a normal tank make. Really it has a sensible around 70k tank. @Major_Errogance Scouts won’t save a hauler if gankers want it. Nothing will. There is a problem in the nature of the interaction between gankers & haulers currently. Not that the ganking can happen, that’s fine. But there is a problem in how it happens, and that’s bad. Currently it’s just ‘make the other guy more attractive & hope they don’t pick you’. The way a gank happens needs some changes to make it more engaging for both sides, and more about actions at the time of the gank. Especially when you propose CHEATING as one of your solutions. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/212 "2018-03-05T23:03:17Z")
Not really, that is only 2.4 million, its drop value is 1.6 million, and you’ll need 6 cats flown by highly skilled pilots to kill that procurer. Rigs, don’t drop, they go boom with the ship unless that has changed. Now, if they just want a shiny kill that isn’t that shiny. About 90 million…for 6 cats? They could go get 6 kills with a less tanky fit. This fit is less blingy in terms of killmail value: [Procurer, Unnamed loadout] Reinforced Bulkheads II Damage Control II Gistum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I And with the 2% shield, armor and hull implants the tank is at 94k EHP. You’ll still need 6 cats to kill it at least. > [@Piugattuk](#): > > With that fit you can buy so many more hulls, but as I say to each their own, if that fit make people happy I am all for it, it is good for NPC pirates but players. You could maybe buy 2 of the above which price out at say 40ish million. Edit: If you overload the mid rack you can get a tank of over 106k EHP. In that case it will take at least 7 cats with pretty high skilled pilots. Lesser skilled pilots and you’ll need something like 8 or 9. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/214 "2018-03-05T23:10:00Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > T2 rigs on a T1 cruiser level ship? > > Sorry Teckos but you are bling tanking that Proc. That’s not a sensible fit. And then saying ‘add implants to get to 100k’ further proves that claiming the proc has a 100k tank is a joke. A blinged brick tank fit does not a normal tank make. > > Really it has a sensible around 70k tank. If you can’t get it to 90k or more in terms of tank you really aren’t trying. Even just dropping down to tech 1 modules you should get at least 79k. And…what is the problem with implants. If you lose a pod in HS during a gank you really really screwed up, IMO. Edit: Oh and no, add implants and you go _ **over** _ 100k EHP with that fit. According to the tool 103k EHP. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769.md?page=11)