# Is there any plans to close the loop hole that is ganking? **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [February 21, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769 "2018-02-21T13:58:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/384 "2018-03-07T07:14:39Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > What I say is, you don’t consider the thing from a miner point of view. Bullcrap. I do mine. My first alt started out as a dedicated mining alt, later moved on to invention and PI. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You consider only from your experience, thus have biases on how miner understand ganking. Bullcrap. I look at the killboards. And I also went around an looked at asteroid belts with miners and also ice belts. As for you claim nobody uses procurers (and skiffs, which I have also referenced in this thread and elsewhere) I offer this: ![Halima_miners](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/f/3f236bd00201389290218f731ff00371f9081f14.jpg) ![Ikao_miner1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/4/74ce9880fa0f69eec7aa37d723db7aac313ab304.PNG) ![Kamio_miners](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/b/cbe9f88ca9e0d28a20397c47fb95edffabccbc7d.PNG) ![Uotila_miners](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/4/f41a6885b536fecb5437559e5ed320bcec871284.PNG) ![Waira_Miners](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/c/1ca7fe556ac26d02f1b4bb596ba8a811895d6fdb.PNG) > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > When you can’t predict if you get ganked, then it is the definition of random gank. Bullcrap. While ganking can be expressed as [subjective probabilities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_probability) from the standpoint of the gank target, that does not mean that the ganker is behaving randomly. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You can get ganked in a proc, you can get ganked in a covetor, for some people it’s just a matter of luck. Bullcrap. I never said a procurer cannot be ganked. It is less likely to get ganked if it is tanked well. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > So no, they don’t have the choice. Bullcrap. Yes they do. Go for tank and face a reduced risk of being ganked and also a higher probability of surviving a gank. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Let’ be honnest, in one hour in a carrier you can make 12 catalysts. I rarely rat in NS and I don’t do it in a carrier. Anymore assumptions you want to make about how I make my ISK? > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > how long does it take to find a target, prepare a setup for the 6-cata gank, then kill target, and wait for criminal flag to end - twice ? 40min ? Depends. If you have the 6 guys or you have 6 alts not that long. If you don’t then longer. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > While the miners have much lower income, thus lose a lot more. Then move on and find something with a better pay off or switch to a ship with a tank that has a chance to withstand a gank. To be perfectly honest in about 40 minutes of looking I found several miners the majority of which are in procurers or skiffs. Looking over the pictures, I see 16 mining ships and 14 are procurers or skiffs. So…based on this limited sample I’m not inclined to believe your claim that people are usually in ships other than the procurer (or skiff). In fact, it appears to be the opposite at this point _and_ that the gankers seek out the softer targets like retrievers, mackinaws and hulks. Sorry…you got nothing but a pile or rhetoric and pretty much nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/385 "2018-03-07T08:19:37Z")
> [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > It is not allowed to use one omega and one alpha account or more than one alpha on the same PC. Your assumptions are wrong. Please report me so I can get permabanned for my cheating. Also do not make up random rules you are NOT a CCP representative. Link to the official website like I -who is not a CCP representative- do : [https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/213020969-Alpha-and-Omega-Clone](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/213020969-Alpha-and-Omega-Clone) > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > That is the correct answer. > > YOU claim something is forbidden, YOU have to back that claim. Not me. > > I also already answered this question of yours **See below:** > [@Are multiple accounts allowed as an Alpha?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-multiple-accounts-allowed-as-an-alpha/28621/6): > > No, it means you can run as many Omega accounts as you want, but you are only allowed to run that 1 Alpha account. While on an Alpha account it is the only account you are allowed to be on. Even if you have an alpha running on your laptop and several omega on your desktop, that would be in breach of the EULA. So you have two choices; Run a single Alpha account. Run one or multiple Omega accounts. EULA applies to you as a person and not your PC(s). **What do you say to that?** I always deliver. It is not permitted for a person to run multiple alphas clients, or an omega with x alpha clients, simultaneously, regardless of how many platforms they are running on. **Source thread:** > [Are multiple accounts allowed as an Alpha?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-multiple-accounts-allowed-as-an-alpha/28621/) ---
**Author:** ![Alever\_Caldari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alever_caldari/32/152907_2.png) [@Alever\_Caldari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alever_Caldari)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/386 "2018-03-07T08:27:39Z")
Unless you find you in violation of the code which invalidates your permit, ie not greeting an agent, mining more than 4 hours and many other holes we have. ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/387 "2018-03-07T09:36:35Z")
Late, but a very well argumented post. I stand corrected. I will edit my post now. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/388 "2018-03-07T09:49:04Z")
> [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > Late, but a very well argumented post. I stand corrected. I will edit my post now. Which one? The one that essentially admitted you are running multiple alphas, or alphas with omegas, simultaneously, on multiple PCs and should be reported and permabanned if you turned out to be wrong to do so? > [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > It is not allowed to use one omega and one alpha account or more than one alpha on the same PC. Your assumptions are wrong. Please report me so I can get permabanned for my cheating. That one? Too late. You cant edit it. Its already quoted. ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/389 "2018-03-07T09:52:16Z")
Well then I will be sitting in a corner crying hoping that one day I can log in again… 😇 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/390 "2018-03-07T09:59:30Z")
> [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > Well then I will be sitting in a corner crying hoping that one day I can log in again… > 😇 **Well you said yourself you should be reported and permabanned for cheating if you turned out to be wrong:** > [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > It is not allowed to use one omega and one alpha account or more than one alpha on the same PC. Your assumptions are wrong. Please report me so I can get permabanned for my cheating. Also do not make up random rules you are NOT a CCP representative. Link to the official website like I -who is not a CCP representative- do : [https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/213020969-Alpha-and-Omega-Clone](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/213020969-Alpha-and-Omega-Clone) **You did turn out to be wrong, and essentially admitted to running multiple alphas or alphas + omegas, simultaneously, on multiple platforms/PCs, in violation of rules:** > [@Are multiple accounts allowed as an Alpha?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-multiple-accounts-allowed-as-an-alpha/28621/6): > > No, it means you can run as many Omega accounts as you want, but you are only allowed to run that 1 Alpha account. While on an Alpha account it is the only account you are allowed to be on. Even if you have an alpha running on your laptop and several omega on your desktop, that would be in breach of the EULA. So you have two choices; Run a single Alpha account. Run one or multiple Omega accounts. EULA applies to you as a person and not your PC(s). ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/391 "2018-03-07T11:18:24Z")
ok, after spamming for 2H now salvos starts bolding ? Is that the new level of childish ? Salvos, using bold font is a way to present something more specific. When your full sentence is bold, you only show you have no idea of what is important. That is rude. Nice of you to have taken the time to search that - so hard to find - link he asked. Next time someone asks you something, maybe you just give him what he asks ? Instead of harassing someone else ? > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > My first alt started out as a dedicated mining alt It does not make you a miner. Just because YOU think this does not mean it is true. > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > I look at the killboards And you make wrong statistic analysis of the killboard. > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > And I also went around an looked at asteroid belts And I did the same, quickly, and found ~30 macks in a system, which evens out what you are showing - but truly it was not a rigorous analysis. Without such a rigorous analysis, we are not allowed to give statistical data though. The thing is, YOU are translating zkb data into a causation, using statistical data assumption. > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > for you claim nobody uses procurers source this claim. Otherwise you are an utter liar. > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > ganking can be expressed as subjective probabilities from the standpoint of the gank target Which is the definition of random “from a miner point of view”. > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > It is less likely to get ganked if it is tanked well. This is false unless proven true. for a miner, he will get ganked. Hence they have no choice. > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > Go for tank and face a reduced risk of being ganked and also a higher probability of surviving a gank. That is not a choice, for the reasons I gave. Read again and try to understand instead of trying to place “bulcrap” the most often. > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > I rarely rat in NS and I don’t do it in a carrier. Anymore assumptions you want to make about how I make my ISK? “you” was generic. from a miner point of view, you are not different from any other who can have alts in NS and make lots of isks. > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > switch to a ship with a tank that has a chance to withstand a gank. It wont. You agree that proc can get ganked and then you say it can withstand a gank. If a proc can still get ganked, it does not give you anything. Well, you think because you mined in an alt you understand the choices a miner can have to make. I tell you you don’t understand. And since you can’t understand that a gank is random from a miner point of view, and can’t make the difference between correlation and causation, I strongly advice you to take lessons in statistical analysis. You clearly don’t have the basis to hold that discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/392 "2018-03-07T12:05:54Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Well you said yourself you should be reported and permabanned for cheating if you turned out to be wrong: Not really, let me clear that up for you. I (and anyone else for that matter) should be reported if we break any rule. CCP shall take action and make sure those miscreants won’t spoil the game for everyone else. Neither I or you are different from that, we are just ‘players’… people consuming the game offered by CCP. I can be as salty as I like when being banned for 3 days or even permabanned. It’s my account and I can cry when I want to just like you do on the forums. To each their own. Do you feel better now I learned you how to make a good post? If you understand that you might understand how HighSec is being kept on their toes (or ‘saved’ as some people eloquently say) by the pirates who attack miners, haulers and in general people who are a little too toxic in local. Those entities, which are from different corps and have different views on who they attack and why, keep an atmosphere of danger in an otherwise void highsec space. They scare people as they come unexpected, but people can prepare. No, people will never be completely safe in high sec unless they are extremely well organized and most actions can only be taken after a ship is wrecked and some actions can only be taken when someone gets podded… but for the latter, something really strange has happened. I hope the people here on the forums will also ‘help’ people in game as there is a need to learn. Inform people and make New Eden Great Again Now! Sometimes I feel like I’m in “The walking dead in space”. I’m more like a disposable side character at best, maybe just figuring in the background but I love the stories behind both the mining and hauling corps and also behind the pirates although I disagree with _how_ they try to get it done. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/393 "2018-03-07T15:06:07Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Next time someone asks you something, maybe you just give him what he asks ? I am right, you where wrong. I asked you, and you where wrong to reply as you did. Own it. > [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > … Dont worry. I will report you to CCP soon enough, as you asked us to do should you be proven wrong that your choice to use multiple alphas, or alphas alongside omegas on any number of platforms is legal (it isnt legal). You are both **WRECKED**. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/394 "2018-03-07T15:21:03Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I am right, you where wrong. > > I asked you, and you where wrong to reply as you did. I am right, and you were wrong and rude. I answer as I want , and you are a violent person who tries to force people to do what he wants when they told you they do not want to. It just happen to not work on these forums. When I say no, it is no. You are a spoiled child who can’t accept a “no” and cries until his mom gives him what he wants. I’m not your mom. You will only get what you deserve. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/395 "2018-03-07T15:24:10Z")
You where wrong, and backed up a cheater: > [@Are multiple accounts allowed as an Alpha?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-multiple-accounts-allowed-as-an-alpha/28621/6): > > No, it means you can run as many Omega accounts as you want, but you are only allowed to run that 1 Alpha account. While on an Alpha account it is the only account you are allowed to be on. Even if you have an alpha running on your laptop and several omega on your desktop, that would be in breach of the EULA. So you have two choices; Run a single Alpha account. Run one or multiple Omega accounts. EULA applies to you as a person and not your PC(s). Own it. You are responsible for your crap, Crying “wolf” isnt going to help you here. ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/396 "2018-03-07T15:26:29Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You where wrong, and backed up a cheater: Please seek professional help, what you are doing is not healthy. I hope CCP staff can help you find a solution with your problems and explain you others can post here. I’m not a psychiatrists but please seek one before it’s too late. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/397 "2018-03-07T15:27:43Z")
> [@Major\_Errogance](#): > > Please seek professional help, what you are doing is not healthy. Exposing a cheater and a liar for all to see is “unhealthy”? Nice try, but its going nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/398 "2018-03-07T15:30:22Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Exposing a cheater and a liar for all to see is “unhealthy”? Avoiding. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/399 "2018-03-07T15:30:35Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You will only get what you deserve. Yes, you will. Extensive reports with screenshots of both your conduct/posts heading to CCP tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/400 "2018-03-07T15:30:43Z")
I did not claim anything about the legality of alphas. And he did not affirm he was using it. You know it and now you are making up lies to justify your pathetic behaviour. Now you keep crying because YOU showed a violent behaviour. Get a tissue and go cry somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/401 "2018-03-07T15:32:09Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Yes, you will. > > Extensive reports with screenshots of both your conduct/posts heading to CCP tomorrow. Great, I look forward on posting the day after tomorrow. I hope you will feel much better too. You were right, I told you many times, you had a problem processing it, not me. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/402 "2018-03-07T15:33:50Z")
Its ok. Neither I nor CCP expect rule violators to own up, even in the face of evidence against them. The conduct/post screenshots, however, are quite clear. ---
**Author:** ![Major\_Errogance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/major_errogance/32/57325_2.png) [@Major\_Errogance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Major_Errogance)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/403 "2018-03-07T15:34:45Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > The conduct/post screenshots, however, are quite clear. Yup, luckely you have not been trolling off topic like a lunatic, right? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769.md?page=14)