# Is there any plans to close the loop hole that is ganking? **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [February 21, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769 "2018-02-21T13:58:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/504 "2018-03-12T12:08:47Z")
Oh and you too, repeatedly. I gave three points in my post. Funny how both of you react to just the one? Everyone knows about the ganker trolling here, and how/why. Its not anything “new” or unclear. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/505 "2018-03-12T12:16:27Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I do. > > You. It seams we have once again some communication problem here. Lets be more specific so even you understand what I ask. Do you have any evidence for the following claim: > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Often they then troll their own OP alt, and anyone else that bites the bait, to stir the pot even further. And do you have any evidence for the following claim: > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Sometimes they introduce multiple alts to keep the thread bumped and drop some more bait. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/506 "2018-03-12T12:18:15Z")
Do you have any reason to doubt it has happened? Why are you so concerned with that specific point (that we all know to be true)? Are you trying to convince us that gankers have not made troll threads on alts, and answered in them with alts? 😃 Good luck with that! ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/507 "2018-03-12T12:22:30Z")
Oh I have no doubt you believe this. I asked if you have any evidence to back it up ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/508 "2018-03-12T12:26:43Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Oh I have no doubt you believe this. I asked if you have any evidence to back it up Yes. You, right here, right now, trying to troll a simple point out of three that everyone knows to be true. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/509 "2018-03-12T12:31:16Z")
that is simply your opinion ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/510 "2018-03-12T12:32:59Z")
> [@Agondray](#): > > be a something if industry could just stop for a while and watch markets dry up, but in some hubs that’s already a logistics reality. Industry won’t stop, because even if all of the weak carebears stop there will still be competent industrial players who will celebrate the fact that their competition all disappeared and gave a nice boost to their profit margins. This is why competent industrial players love the idea of suicide ganks and oppose any changes to make them less common. After all, suicide ganks are little or no threat to the competent players, but simultaneously remove competition from the market _and_ drive demand for the stuff the competent industrial players produce. In fact, I’d bet that competent industrial players celebrate the deaths of other industrial players even _more_ than any PvP player ever would. (Seriously, the whole CODE thing is one of the greatest scams in the history of EVE. It’s brilliant, not only convincing most of EVE to gleefully kill off your competition but even getting yourself a reputation as some kind of terrifying hardcore PvPer.) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/511 "2018-03-12T12:36:14Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > that is simply your opinion Ima… Forum regulars know your MO. We’ve seen it many times. There is no shame in it, but please dont try to refute it 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/512 "2018-03-12T12:42:17Z")
Lol To make a claim about someone you need to have proof… not some dumb **_gut feeling_** because that’s worth as much as your word… (that’s exactly nothing if you didn’t get it) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/513 "2018-03-12T12:44:03Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > To make a claim about someone you need to have proof… How you guys have posted in “gank” threads, is proof enough for regular readers 🙂 We know what you are doing, we just choose to ignore it cos we know better than bite that bait. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/514 "2018-03-12T12:54:50Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Are you trying to convince us that gankers have not made troll threads on alts, and answered in them with alts? Funny how only your _ **highly superior gut feeling** _ says we do this It’s as funny as that same gut feeling saying I’m Major, or the one that says I VPN or that other one about how AI supposedly use Alphas and Omegas at the same time 😅😅 I don’t see why I or any other dude should use other accounts to post with (unlike yourself)… I own what I say, I don’t have to hide behind some npc alt to say what I think (or being some gut feeling 😂😂😂) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/515 "2018-03-12T13:09:01Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Funny how only your highly superior gut feeling says we do this Do you deny having done so? Have you not trolled people in gank related threads on Dom or another character? > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > I don’t see why I or any other dude should use other accounts to post with (unlike yourself) I only post on this toon on these boards. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/516 "2018-03-12T13:12:28Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Do you deny having done so? I confirm I don’t post with alts on the forums. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I only post on this toon on these boards. I only post on my main. What’s so scary about forums anyway? Ohhh wait was your main banned? Awww 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/517 "2018-03-12T13:13:46Z")
I now just claim that Salvos is an alt of DMC based on my gut feelings which we can assert are just true ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/518 "2018-03-12T13:24:31Z")
DMC and I share similar views on many things, but we also disagree on others. Neither of us has “trolled” gank related threads, like you two are doing now. * * * As you can see from my posts, I see ganking as largely a non-issue. As Scipio posted stats for, ganking of freighters is a tiny % of HS attrition. Imo the rate of freighter destruction in HS has always been too low, and my entire post history is consistent with that view. As Ive said many times, despite myself playing a mostly PvP evading meta, I am one of the most pro-PvP and hawkish regulars on this board. Your attempts to portray me otherwise, are invalid. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/519 "2018-03-12T13:26:22Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Neither of us has “trolled” gank related threads, like you two are doing now. I think you don’t know what trolling is lol I wonder, do you think I’m a ganker? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/520 "2018-03-12T13:26:57Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > I wonder, do you think I’m a ganker? Are you not? Note: Im asking you as a person, not the character. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/521 "2018-03-12T13:41:16Z")
As Ive said before, if ganking starts reaching \>20% of HS attrition, then we can look at it. Atm, the rate/volume is so tiny, and gankers prefer overstuffed/undertanked/undersupported freighters, that it really is not a concern. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/522 "2018-03-12T13:43:07Z")
I’m asking you lol What does your gut feeling say? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/523 "2018-03-12T13:44:55Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > What does your gut feeling say? My gut feeling from having read many of your posts over an extended period of time, and engaged with you often here, is that yes, you are a salt-mining ganker. You as in the player, not the character. And if not that, then a person that enjoys trolling in gank related threads, probably cos there are so many tears/lols to be had. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769.md?page=20)