# Is there any plans to close the loop hole that is ganking? **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [February 21, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769 "2018-02-21T13:58:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/21 "2018-02-21T16:35:09Z")
actually youre the one being toxic here by throwing the word toxic around to anyone you disgree with and then you say there is nothing can be done to help a freighter to survive and call me ignorant for suggesting there is you are a hypocrite in both your statements ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/22 "2018-02-21T16:37:52Z")
Actually, in that case the only way to do so is to stop that activity. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/23 "2018-02-21T16:38:51Z")
> [@EnakaEsubria](#): > > You paint the picture that ganking takes as much effort or time as other forms of game play in eve and it’s just not the case at all. Of course it does. How much effort does highsec mining or hauling take? Or industry, or running a mission someone minmaxed a decade ago and put on a website for you to follow? Or joining some incursion fleet and locking and pressing F1 when the FC tells you? None of this is especially hard. The predictable nature of the CrimeWatch mechanics may mean ganking is less challenging than a random fleet action against unknown opponents perhaps, but it is certainly more challenging than the vast majority of daily activities players in Eve engage in. To do it profitably requires time, capital investment, a thorough understanding of game mechanics, multiple accounts and to get down to the nub of the issue, a mistake on the part of another player. No matter how “good” a ganker you are, if you don’t find someone who has overloaded or blinged out a ship you can kill with your fleet, you cannot do anything. If you think ganking is a profitable activity, why not give it a go? I think you’ll find that in the best case it is not more profitable than the myriad of other easy, predictable resource fountains CCP has shoved into the game, and unprofitable most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/24 "2018-02-21T16:39:21Z")
> [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](#): > > through Nijara(sp?) Or Sivala Niagara falls 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/25 "2018-02-21T16:41:07Z")
ive been hauling my own crap around since 2012 in a bestower brick tank moa for taking higher value stuff into jita to sell and interceptor to bring to my brick tank moa docked outside jita and never been ganked while hauling dont plan on stopping that activity anytime soon ---
**Author:** ![EnakaEsubria](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/enakaesubria/32/236500_2.png) [@EnakaEsubria](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/EnakaEsubria)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/26 "2018-02-21T16:42:42Z")
I’m the one reminding you that people already do the things you suggest and still get caught. That’s why i’m disagreeing, You can try to frame my responses as toxic and ignorant but i’m not the one calling everyone and anyone who gets ganked dumb and pointing out it’s “player management”. That’s ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/27 "2018-02-21T16:43:04Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Niagara falls 😃 Slowly I turn… Step by step… Inch by inch… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/28 "2018-02-21T16:43:29Z")
Never been (successfully) ganked on hauling either. Because hauling is just a part of income. But sometimes, hauling is the income ? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/29 "2018-02-21T16:45:28Z")
so what if people get caught there are tools to minimise the risk and if you use all the tools and still get caught chances are you pissed someone off and they are making a loss to enact their vendetta against you you want ccp to fix that for you too ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/30 "2018-02-21T16:47:58Z")
certainly is for red black blue frog and i dont tsee them closing down activities soon actually i think they did stop blue frog but red and black are still going ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/31 "2018-02-21T16:53:21Z")
never heard of black frog ! 😃 Well I agree with you, still I think the post I was referring to has a valid point of view. I some cases, hauling is not profitable unless you can be sure to not get ganked. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/32 "2018-02-21T17:00:50Z")
black frog is part of red frog and haul to null sec for many years they charge a lot tho usually 100m+ for a courier contract > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > hauling is not profitable unless you can be sure to not get ganked which is kind of the point of the thread when can anyone ever be sure they wont get ganked should ccp implement mechanics to ensure players wont get ganked ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/33 "2018-02-21T17:06:14Z")
You’re right, they definitely should not hardcode antigank. As I said, in that case the thing to do is, to stop hauling. This activity is not worth it for you, then stop it. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/34 "2018-02-21T17:07:54Z")
i get your point now if you cant stand the heat get out the kitchen ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/35 "2018-02-21T17:11:08Z")
I misread “get out of the chicken”. was chocked.( all night long) ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Sebiestar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_sebiestar/32/502522_2.png) [@Mina\_Sebiestar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Sebiestar)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/37 "2018-02-21T17:45:56Z")
Make suicide ganks terrorist activity and as such deny any docking capability anywhere in high sec. Exception corp structure in space that allowed docking rights. Things will go over 9000 pretty quick from there. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/38 "2018-02-21T17:58:45Z")
> [@Mina\_Sebiestar](#): > > Exception corp structure in space that allowed docking rights. And there is a group putting up those in Niarja to make public moon mining available. I doubt such a group would close their structures to NPC corps and that is all you need to house gankers. So really, limiting docking will do nothing. So why waste CCP’s time even coding this? ---
**Author:** ![Fred\_VonStraine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fred_vonstraine/32/256698_2.png) [@Fred\_VonStraine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fred_VonStraine)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/39 "2018-02-21T18:04:21Z")
Need some thing along the lines of the Q ships used to counter commerce raiders during WW 2 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/40 "2018-02-21T18:05:59Z")
Think outside the box and this is already possible. Battle Badgers are not just a meme. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Sebiestar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_sebiestar/32/502522_2.png) [@Mina\_Sebiestar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Sebiestar)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/41 "2018-02-21T18:08:13Z")
That is completely up to them to decide having terrorist safe haven tag on your structure gonna be a choice point being constant suicide ganking deny you usage of npc stations thus all assets are reachable destroyable and traceable including where those pilots are where they dock and undock from coding that is all but a waste of time. For the first time it would means their skin is in a game too. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769.md?page=3)