# Is there any plans to close the loop hole that is ganking? **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [February 21, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769 "2018-02-21T13:58:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 384
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769/384 "2018-03-07T07:14:39Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > What I say is, you don’t consider the thing from a miner point of view. Bullcrap. I do mine. My first alt started out as a dedicated mining alt, later moved on to invention and PI. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You consider only from your experience, thus have biases on how miner understand ganking. Bullcrap. I look at the killboards. And I also went around an looked at asteroid belts with miners and also ice belts. As for you claim nobody uses procurers (and skiffs, which I have also referenced in this thread and elsewhere) I offer this: ![Halima_miners](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/f/3f236bd00201389290218f731ff00371f9081f14.jpg) ![Ikao_miner1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/4/74ce9880fa0f69eec7aa37d723db7aac313ab304.PNG) ![Kamio_miners](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/b/cbe9f88ca9e0d28a20397c47fb95edffabccbc7d.PNG) ![Uotila_miners](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/4/f41a6885b536fecb5437559e5ed320bcec871284.PNG) ![Waira_Miners](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/c/1ca7fe556ac26d02f1b4bb596ba8a811895d6fdb.PNG) > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > When you can’t predict if you get ganked, then it is the definition of random gank. Bullcrap. While ganking can be expressed as [subjective probabilities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_probability) from the standpoint of the gank target, that does not mean that the ganker is behaving randomly. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You can get ganked in a proc, you can get ganked in a covetor, for some people it’s just a matter of luck. Bullcrap. I never said a procurer cannot be ganked. It is less likely to get ganked if it is tanked well. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > So no, they don’t have the choice. Bullcrap. Yes they do. Go for tank and face a reduced risk of being ganked and also a higher probability of surviving a gank. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Let’ be honnest, in one hour in a carrier you can make 12 catalysts. I rarely rat in NS and I don’t do it in a carrier. Anymore assumptions you want to make about how I make my ISK? > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > how long does it take to find a target, prepare a setup for the 6-cata gank, then kill target, and wait for criminal flag to end - twice ? 40min ? Depends. If you have the 6 guys or you have 6 alts not that long. If you don’t then longer. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > While the miners have much lower income, thus lose a lot more. Then move on and find something with a better pay off or switch to a ship with a tank that has a chance to withstand a gank. To be perfectly honest in about 40 minutes of looking I found several miners the majority of which are in procurers or skiffs. Looking over the pictures, I see 16 mining ships and 14 are procurers or skiffs. So…based on this limited sample I’m not inclined to believe your claim that people are usually in ships other than the procurer (or skiff). In fact, it appears to be the opposite at this point _and_ that the gankers seek out the softer targets like retrievers, mackinaws and hulks. Sorry…you got nothing but a pile or rhetoric and pretty much nothing else. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-there-any-plans-to-close-the-loop-hole-that-is-ganking/58769)._