# Is this harassment? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 15, 2019, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534 "2019-12-15T00:41:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/176 "2019-12-20T18:01:20Z")
> [@NewEdenPsyco](#): > > Pandemic Whores You monster! ---
**Author:** ![NewEdenPsyco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/newedenpsyco/32/174058_2.png) [@NewEdenPsyco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NewEdenPsyco)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/178 "2019-12-20T18:03:16Z")
Hang on there bitte! Where did I claim that? I call Slander I feel harassed by you! ---
**Author:** ![NewEdenPsyco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/newedenpsyco/32/174058_2.png) [@NewEdenPsyco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NewEdenPsyco)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/179 "2019-12-20T18:04:53Z")
It was a love quarrel, just a nibble in the heat of the moment. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/180 "2019-12-20T18:05:29Z")
y u hef no zkill? ---
**Author:** ![NewEdenPsyco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/newedenpsyco/32/174058_2.png) [@NewEdenPsyco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NewEdenPsyco)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/182 "2019-12-20T18:08:40Z")
No, I’m a newb. The only action seen was when I bravely distracted a burner hawk with a griffin so my friend could warp away. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/183 "2019-12-20T18:11:16Z")
Why would you call yourself NewEdenPsyco? Why are you posting instead of playing? ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/184 "2019-12-20T18:17:17Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > I’m truly sorry this happened to you I’m not. It was hella fun! I thought I was gonna have to kill him but he wised up. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > not everybody finds losing a ship in a spaceship shooting game a traumatic experience. Not everybody considers EVE to be a spaceship shooting game. Victimization is not much of a saleable experience. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/185 "2019-12-20T18:18:19Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > I thought I was gonna have to kill him but he wised up. You sound like someone who has a lot of anger stored inside of him, waiting for the opportunity to rightfully unleash your inner fury upon whoever dares provoking it. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/186 "2019-12-20T18:19:26Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Not everybody considers EVE to be a spaceship shooting game. Not everyone considers A to be A, but that doesn’t mean it matters. Being wrong mostly matters to those who insist on being right. ---
**Author:** ![NewEdenPsyco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/newedenpsyco/32/174058_2.png) [@NewEdenPsyco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NewEdenPsyco)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/187 "2019-12-20T18:20:57Z")
> with no actual evidence at all and no possible way to have evidence of that. Unless you are CCP you don’t have evidence of that. Ah you are doing that “you can’t prove that routine” It’s starting to become a habit of yours, it’s a good fallback for you when you grasp to keep your world intact. It’s good because you know that we can’t post gm logs in here. Still, I like you, because above all I crave this short moment when you give me a tiny bit of attention it’s really… Yea you can fill in the rest ---
**Author:** ![NewEdenPsyco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/newedenpsyco/32/174058_2.png) [@NewEdenPsyco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NewEdenPsyco)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/189 "2019-12-20T18:41:21Z")
But my dear, I’m not 100% against you. So if I can’t show you the proof, as you know that would be against the rules. How can I validate the claim to you? But all this you already know and you build your argumentation around the fact. ---
**Author:** ![NewEdenPsyco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/newedenpsyco/32/174058_2.png) [@NewEdenPsyco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NewEdenPsyco)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/191 "2019-12-20T18:48:44Z")
Trust me, this kind of talk is usually from new interns. It usually takes less than 24h and then they orchestra a way to get sent to isolation and then protected row. _To my dear Lucas there is no spring without you my loins ache for you to return from war_ And no I can’t validate that claim as it is not public records. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/192 "2019-12-20T18:51:41Z")
> [@NewEdenPsyco](#): > > Trust me, this kind of talk Trust you in “people matters”? Why should I do that? > [@NewEdenPsyco](#): > > _To my dear Lucas there is no spring without you my loins ache for you to return from war_ > And no I can’t validate that claim as it is not public records. What? ---
**Author:** ![NewEdenPsyco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/newedenpsyco/32/174058_2.png) [@NewEdenPsyco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NewEdenPsyco)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/193 "2019-12-20T18:58:10Z")
The lower block was not for you I sneaked in a short proclamation of love to another. Regarding the upper block, I have gotten the feeling that you are genius worried about Mister Morgans health and I wanted to try and calm your lovely mind that it’s most often (in my experience) that this kind of talk is a show. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/194 "2019-12-20T19:00:02Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Feel free to show me verifiable evidence of people who enjoy being followed and ganked no matter where they go. What? Why would I have to provide any evidence about something I neither said nor implied? Man, do yourself a favour and simply ignore me, like you said you were going to do in the other threads where you’re “participating”. It’s going to save you from embarrassing yourself more often than necessary, or at the very least make you feel better by not realising you’re doing that… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Yes, EVE is a game. Which is why people shouldn’t be harassing other players within it. Exactly. Only it’s CCP, not you, who gets to decide what constitutes harassment in EvE and what not… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > persistently targetting the same player over and over and over again no matter how much they try to get away is no longer just part of the game. Unless CCP says otherwise, which according to the reply the OP got from a GM when she asked them, is the case. Their _current_ stance on the issue appears to be that repeatedly targeting the same player over and over, even following him around, is considered part of the game and does by itself **not** constitute harassment. So stop pretending you know better than a GM, or that the reply the OP got has to be fake just because it doesn’t meet your expectations, or that it cannot be the case because their stance on the particular case of bumping was different in a thread which they edited years ago, precisely to say that what was stated there didn’t represent their stance on the issue anymore… I do _believe_ that following someone around for _personal_, not game related reasons, _might_ constitute harassment, but even that I’m not sure of, because unlike you, I don’t pretend to know better than them what constitutes harassment in EvE and what not… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I tend to take fairly reasoned positions, which usually means that the people who have decided to position themselves 100% against me for some strange reason end up abandoning basic reasoning ability. ROFLMAO. Says the guy that ends up pretending he ignores anyone that proves him wrong, on the basis that they write longer replies than he’s able to read, or that they’re CODE, or that they have an attitude he doesn’t like, or whatever… And of course, the fact that he simply ignores those replies proves it’s the ones disagreeing with him who are “abandoning basic reasoning ability”… 🤣 🤣 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/196 "2019-12-20T19:04:00Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Knowledgeminer getting mad 🤣 🤣 🤣 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > If it upsets you so much Why would it upset me? What makes you think it does? Actually, why would I even care to begin with? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > learn to be concise Man, if you cannot read, or prefer not to, so you may keep believing you’re right even when proven wrong, that’s your problem, not mine. I’m not going to post poorly written easily refutable arguments, just to make it easier for you… ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/197 "2019-12-20T19:07:22Z")
> [@NewEdenPsyco](#): > > I wanted to try and calm your lovely mind that it’s most often (in my experience) that this kind of talk is a show. You made it clear that I should trust your word on it. A definitive statement that it is, without a doubt, just “new intern talk”. What if you’re wrong? Will you tell me that you aren’t wrong, because you know “these people who say these things”? You’d base that on what? His words? A definitive statement about his person based on your assumption that every case you come across is always the case you know is common? Okay? What about those where you’re wrong? Ever thought of that? Aside of this, you didn’t answer my question regarding your name. NewEdenPsyco. You don’t have to answer of course, but I thought I’d point at it one more time. And why are you posting instead of playing?! ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/199 "2019-12-20T19:20:54Z")
You don’t understand. You seem to believe I’m trying to convince you of something, or that I care whether you realise you’re wrong. I don’t. I wouldn’t even bother talking to someone like you if it was a private conversation. But it’s not, it’s a public forum, and the reason I reply to you is for the benefit of _others_ reading this and that, unlike you, might be willing to understand how things actually _are_, not just read what you want to make them believe… ---
**Author:** ![NewEdenPsyco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/newedenpsyco/32/174058_2.png) [@NewEdenPsyco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NewEdenPsyco)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/201 "2019-12-20T19:31:43Z")
I have to back down here I think my English wasn’t clear, my fault. I tried to relay that in my experience the language he is using is often just a way to talk. And as you seemed genuinely worried about him I just tried to say that most people that claim they are “ruthless” and “a bad mf” often is the reverse persona as they want to appear. A new study shows > In these new obedience experiments, people with more social graces were the ones who complied with the experimenter’s wishes and delivered electric shocks they believed could harm an innocent person. If you like to read more on the subject search for New Version of Milgram’s experiments, Also Harvard Institute for Education did research on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534/202 "2019-12-20T19:42:02Z")
> [@NewEdenPsyco](#): > > And as you seemed genuinely worried about him > [@z0ra\_Berg](#): > > You sound like someone who has a lot of anger stored inside of him, waiting for the opportunity to rightfully unleash your inner fury upon whoever dares provoking it. Read it again. There are no worries in my post. Whatever it was that you were reading, it’s definitely coming from you. I did not actually need you to tell me not to be worried and you should ask yourself if it is really necessary to do such a thing in the first place. > [@NewEdenPsyco](#): > > In these new obedience experiments, people with more social graces were the ones who complied with the experimenter’s wishes and delivered electric shocks they believed could harm an innocent person. What a coincidence! I have been thinking about this today! Isn’t it funny when people have no idea what they’re doing, or reading, or talking about? > **[What does social graces mean?](https://www.definitions.net/definition/social+graces)** > > Definition of social graces in the Definitions.net dictionary. Meaning of social graces. What does social graces mean? Information and translations of social graces in the most comprehensive dictionary definitions resource on the web. Would _you_ call it “social graces” when you know that person is willingly giving you pain because he’s been told to do it? It is interesting that what they call “people with more social graces” is in fact just a person both too cold to care and too obedient to be considered a free thinking, decent human being. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-harassment/206534.md?page=9)