# Is this where I beg CCP to PLEASE make a cruiser and battleship sized member of the Dramiel and Daredevil family? **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [December 20, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-where-i-beg-ccp-to-please-make-a-cruiser-and-battleship-sized-member-of-the-dramiel-and-daredevil-family/207449 "2019-12-20T16:54:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kurskus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kurskus/32/214638_2.png) [@Kurskus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kurskus)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-where-i-beg-ccp-to-please-make-a-cruiser-and-battleship-sized-member-of-the-dramiel-and-daredevil-family/207449/1 "2019-12-20T16:54:03Z")
I absolutely LOVE my little Dramiel and Daredevil, and I’ve always wished that there were “grown-up” versions of these little guys available for us. I for one, would LOVE to have one of each! ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-where-i-beg-ccp-to-please-make-a-cruiser-and-battleship-sized-member-of-the-dramiel-and-daredevil-family/207449/2 "2019-12-20T17:33:49Z")
No pirate faction has destroyers or battlecruisers, i would like all of them to have them but i wont hold my breathe. ---
**Author:** ![ShahFluffers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shahfluffers/32/258921_2.png) [@ShahFluffers](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ShahFluffers)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-where-i-beg-ccp-to-please-make-a-cruiser-and-battleship-sized-member-of-the-dramiel-and-daredevil-family/207449/3 "2019-12-20T18:33:58Z")
> [@Kurskus](#): > > I absolutely LOVE my little Dramiel and Daredevil, and I’ve always wished that there were “grown-up” versions of these little guys available for us. I for one, would LOVE to have one of each! Ummmm… there are. They are called the Cynabal and Macheriel. Both are quite speedy for their class and hit pretty hard. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-where-i-beg-ccp-to-please-make-a-cruiser-and-battleship-sized-member-of-the-dramiel-and-daredevil-family/207449/4 "2019-12-20T19:23:19Z")
Frigate - Cruiser - Battleship > [@Kurskus](#): > > Dramiel Dramiel - Cynabal - Machariel > [@Kurskus](#): > > Daredevil Daredevil - Vigilant - Vindicator What you’re asking for already exist… ??? ---
**Author:** ![Kurskus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kurskus/32/214638_2.png) [@Kurskus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kurskus)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-where-i-beg-ccp-to-please-make-a-cruiser-and-battleship-sized-member-of-the-dramiel-and-daredevil-family/207449/5 "2019-12-21T14:25:07Z")
Yea but those ships look nothing like the Daredevil and Dramiel. I’m talking about ships with the same visual design. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-where-i-beg-ccp-to-please-make-a-cruiser-and-battleship-sized-member-of-the-dramiel-and-daredevil-family/207449/6 "2019-12-21T18:42:20Z")
hmm, im gonna channel @Nicolai_Serkanner here. no. ■■■■ off. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-where-i-beg-ccp-to-please-make-a-cruiser-and-battleship-sized-member-of-the-dramiel-and-daredevil-family/207449/7 "2019-12-22T01:14:30Z")
You know that you have to be at least 13 years old to play EvE, right? ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-where-i-beg-ccp-to-please-make-a-cruiser-and-battleship-sized-member-of-the-dramiel-and-daredevil-family/207449/8 "2019-12-23T00:43:48Z")
I wouldn’t mind to see a larger more powerful version of the drake, but i know thats not gonna happen… Ship designs change, so while you may love your little daredevil and Dramiel, whose to say CCP may change how they look, and you not like it?? ---
**Author:** ![ShahFluffers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shahfluffers/32/258921_2.png) [@ShahFluffers](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ShahFluffers)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-where-i-beg-ccp-to-please-make-a-cruiser-and-battleship-sized-member-of-the-dramiel-and-daredevil-family/207449/9 "2019-12-23T06:04:44Z")
> [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > I wouldn’t mind to see a larger more powerful version of the drake … 😑 One of the command ships is a beefier version of the Drake. The Raven is the missile battleship of the Caldari. And the T2 Raven is an upgrade that fills all your tanky, missile spewing wet dreams. And the Pheonix-class dreadnought is ship that fires Saturn V rocket-sized things at targets. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-where-i-beg-ccp-to-please-make-a-cruiser-and-battleship-sized-member-of-the-dramiel-and-daredevil-family/207449/10 "2019-12-23T06:22:36Z")
you ser are an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-where-i-beg-ccp-to-please-make-a-cruiser-and-battleship-sized-member-of-the-dramiel-and-daredevil-family/207449/11 "2020-01-02T00:48:57Z")
meanwhile the guristas weep silently in the corner having been forgotten by the art team. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-this-where-i-beg-ccp-to-please-make-a-cruiser-and-battleship-sized-member-of-the-dramiel-and-daredevil-family/207449/12 "2020-04-01T00:48:59Z")
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