# ISD Appreciation - On Behalf of the Community, Thank You! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 11, 2020, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222 "2020-05-11T08:12:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/44 "2020-05-11T10:48:22Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > People who have opinions that differ from your own and are passionate about what they believe aren’t necessarily trolls; although some of them certainly are. I can debate reasonable ideas all day. Its the small brained non-debaters who take conversations off topic constantly that need to be trimmed. We all have a list of names in our mind. They go right for the person not the topic, this is what needs to end. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/45 "2020-05-11T10:50:53Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > They go right for the person not the topic, this is what needs to end. To be fair, some of the people that get targeted in this way absolutely deserve it. I must admit to being guilty of going after certain posters in this way myself; mostly because I consider their ideas to be the antithesis of what Eve is reputed to be, and they flatly refuse to engage in reasonable debate with anybody that disagrees with them. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/46 "2020-05-11T10:55:52Z")
I choose to read it and leave an opinion on it. That you perceive it as overly critical and offensive, shouldn’t result in a ban. Even if I choose to outright ridicule your opinion, it shouldn’t result in a ban. Who really cares about what is written on this forum. It’s not like CCP is going to implement any of the ideas directly, without having it go through their own iterations. This is just the beginning of the never ending rabbit hole. As the usual “discussions” start in here. If we should ban people for baseless criticism, we should equally ban people for coming up with useless ideas, that aren’t supported by any legitimate data. Just see how quickly these forums will go empty. Might as well just delete the whole thing, a notion I fully support. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/48 "2020-05-11T11:06:38Z")
![nods](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/4/e44fb1188dd2218b1d58815a1357f2c49d2c2f4b.gif) I support our volunteers and the efforts they make to keep us civil ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/49 "2020-05-11T11:08:17Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > That you perceive it as overly critical and offensive, shouldn’t result in a ban. first off - its not about YOU. lol. Second…I don’t give AF what you post on topic but this pattern of attacking character because of idea is a cop out and it needs to end. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/50 "2020-05-11T11:09:27Z")
Also ISD…in a thread intending to show appreciation I should have done just that. Thank you for what you do. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/51 "2020-05-11T11:10:35Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I must admit to being guilty of going after certain posters in this way myself Likewise. But the ‘troll’ switch is usually thrown for a reason and the PvE thread that started all this is a perfect example of that. This thread too I personally haven’t thrown the switch (and wont). I think a big problem with some is that they see a name and only ever equate it to one thing; the enemy, rather than taking each post/thread in stride. Dracvlad is one that is generally opposite of how I see Eve and have viciously fought him many times…but I never do it to spite him because he does have some pretty good points some times (ie the bumping debates). Others like Narnia (or whatever name he’s using today) needs to be trolled relentlessly…case by case, person by person, thread by thread… Black and white thinking is never a good thing…and if one finds themselves in that place then there needs to be a pretty good reason why… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/52 "2020-05-11T11:13:07Z")
I see @Dracvlad as a worthy opponent that deserves my respect, we disagree on many things but as you say he does make some good points. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/53 "2020-05-11T11:16:09Z")
Didn’t reference myself in any way. It was a hypothetical “I”. “Attacking character” is sometimes subjective. For example, if I see an idea that is god awful, yet I don’t want to spend too much time on a reply. One might just reply “No”. However, since there is a limit to how short a reply can be, one has to reply “No ■■■■ off”. In no way, is this a personal attack. It is just expressing for the person to go and taking their idea with them. Sure it is harsh, but not really a ban-able offence. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/54 "2020-05-11T11:16:31Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > There’s no excuse for you to be abusive. I know you think it’s everyone else’s fault, hell you were defending a racist the other day with the same logic. How about you just don’t abuse people and if you don’t like their threads you simply stay out of them? Actually there is…when it is deserved. Today’s PvE thread is the perfect example of that and no, I wont “stay out of them”. This is a forum…not a safe space. I broke no rules, by a long shot nor did anyone else. …and BTW, telling somebody to use the in-game report function is NOT defending a racist by any stretch of the imagination. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/55 "2020-05-11T11:18:46Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > one has to reply “No ■■■■ off” Is that you @Nicolai_Serkanner 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Thalack\_Dalhar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_thalack_dalhar/32/313038_2.png) [@ISD\_Thalack\_Dalhar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Thalack_Dalhar)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/56 "2020-05-11T11:23:59Z")
While we all appreciate a good discussion, and we value your feedback (even though we likely can’t/won’t go into details publicly), I would like to ask everybody that this doesn’t turn into a heated debate… ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/58 "2020-05-11T11:30:04Z")
> [@ISD\_Thalack\_Dalhar](#): > > While we all appreciate a good discussion, and we value your feedback (even though we likely can’t/won’t go into details publicly), I would like to ask everybody that this doesn’t turn into a heated debate… Mondays. I normally remember to check myself. This morning I forgot and let Monday be Monday. Its sunny though and spring is here in Canada. I hope you all have a sunny day and may the cadence of convo here be such that you don’t have to lock too many of us up. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/59 "2020-05-11T11:32:31Z")
I hate Mondays. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/60 "2020-05-11T11:32:31Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > This is a forum…not a safe space. Runa act like a civil human being and debate all day. No one is attacking your right to a reasonable opinion. In the old days we left character attack out of the equation - that needs to be reinstated. No one should be insulting anyone in the expression of their opinion. The problem is there is this zeitgeist that that is ok and it needs to end. Also thanks to the moderators to whom this thread was meant to be about. We need to make a better one and be better ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/61 "2020-05-11T11:35:27Z")
Whilst you’re here… Why are some trolls allowed to troll continuously? Why are some trolls that actively encourage players to stop playing the game, allowed to continue doing so? Why are some trolls allowed to make personal attacks on others? I refer you to this: ### **1.**** Specifically restricted conduct.** The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to courteous when disagreeing with others. In order to maintain an environment where everyone is welcome and discussion flows freely, certain types of conduct are prohibited on the EVE Online forums. These are: - **Trolling** - **Flaming** - Ranting - **Personal Attacks** - Harassment - Doxxing - Racism & Discrimination - Hate Speech - Sexism - Spamming - Bumping - Off-Topic Posting - Pyramid Quoting - Rumor Mongering - New Player Bashing - Impersonation - Advertising ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/62 "2020-05-11T11:36:38Z")
> [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > Forum users are expected to courteous when disagreeing with others. this is an important aspect i’d like to see …dont ban people on their ideas but on their attitude. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/63 "2020-05-11T11:38:00Z")
Agreed, yet some are allowed to cast insult with impunity… ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/64 "2020-05-11T11:38:32Z")
> [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > impunity sir, impunity is an understatement. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/65 "2020-05-11T11:41:33Z")
For some people, insults are all that they deserve; although IMHO there’s only a couple of people that it applies to. Personally I try to keep my insults somewhat humorous, in some instances that is very difficult to do. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222.md?page=4)