# ISD Appreciation - On Behalf of the Community, Thank You! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 11, 2020, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222 "2020-05-11T08:12:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/137 "2020-05-11T20:07:59Z")
Wow this topic derailed faster than… Wait I can’t finish that thought. Not language under 13 should see. [@ISD](https://forums.eveonline.com/groups/isd) thanks for all the hard volunteer work. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/138 "2020-05-11T20:09:17Z")
The fronts are forming! Dig in and take cover! ![trench](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/6/d682cf3d49fa929683ff3539f858b2e0810e3268.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/139 "2020-05-11T20:10:13Z")
> [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > > [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > > > Other way around, Kell is right - its a space empire/trading game, with pvp (which is largely meaningless) - don’t fool yourself with some dodgy nullsec bloc line-member reasoning… > > It’s a line from the eve faq as written by ccp. > > ‘The essential core concept of eve is fulltime pvp in a sandbox environment’ > > Would you like a link? That is old, and never was actually true in the first place… Whilst EVE felt like a pvp paradise for quite a few years, still can do at times, it never truly was… the infrastructure and inherent safety of things like npc stations undermine that completely - the whole notion of industry, npcs and missions help undermine that still further - and the development of EVE, both by the player base, and the response to that over time by CCP marks EVE as an empire/trading game - more so today than at any time in the past… ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/140 "2020-05-11T20:12:02Z")
> [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > and never was actually true in the first place… Can i use this line if something ccp releases doesn’t conform to my views? ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/141 "2020-05-11T20:13:58Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Can i use this line if something ccp releases doesn’t conform to my views? Of course you can, but the evidence is there and always has been to support the view I just stated - just because you can quote a pvp reference, doesn’t make it intrinsically true, you do know that right? ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/142 "2020-05-11T20:14:53Z")
Always time for this ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/b/eb85a2a32bb3ab8c88a9dc42bb3e487a7dddfec8.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/143 "2020-05-11T20:15:24Z")
> [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > Of course you can, but the evidence is there and always has been to support the view I just stated - just because you can quote a pvp reference, doesn’t make it intrinsically true, you do know that right? So why bother arguing the point? By that standard eve is neither a trading game, nor a sandbox nor anything because no evidence is good enough. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/144 "2020-05-11T20:16:56Z")
I propose we return to the original point of the thread: _ **ISD Appreciation / Ways CCP Could Further Empower ISD** _ ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/145 "2020-05-11T20:18:12Z")
> [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > > [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > > > Of course you can, but the evidence is there and always has been to support the view I just stated - just because you can quote a pvp reference, doesn’t make it intrinsically true, you do know that right? > > So why bother arguing the point? > > By that standard eve is neither a trading game, nor a sandbox nor anything because no evidence is good enough. Oh dear, oh dear oh dear oh dear… wow even… /hugs - you need some I suppose it’s my own fault for trying to have a discussion… ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/146 "2020-05-11T20:19:35Z")
🔴 _ **ISD Appreciation / Ways CCP Could Further Empower ISD** _ No “last words” please and thank you ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/147 "2020-05-11T20:20:36Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > I propose we return to the original point of the thread: _ **ISD Appreciation / Ways CCP Could Further Empower ISD** _ I disagree with the motion - I don’t find ISD actions consistent, transparent or fair-minded - so don’t give them any more powers.. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/148 "2020-05-11T20:20:45Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > 🔴 OK, you win! ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/149 "2020-05-11T20:22:46Z")
> [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > I suppose it’s my own fault for trying to have a discussion… You just said a ccp source wasn’t the truth even at the time of writing… And apparently i need hugs… Do you see what i mean by people who skirt the line of personal attacks? ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/150 "2020-05-11T20:23:16Z")
and that’s just your opinion, while I’ve had a few instances with them, I still think they need some more power on the forums so CCP doesn’t have to step in as head of babysitters, when the babysitters have no power. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/152 "2020-05-11T20:24:30Z")
> [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > and that’s just your opinion Absolutely 🙂 I can point to examples to support my opinion, but it is just my opinion in the end 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/153 "2020-05-11T20:33:26Z")
Here, some CCP quotes from the front page: EVE Online is a community-driven spaceship MMO Space exploration, immense PvP and PvE battles and a thriving player economy in an ever-expanding sandbox Participate in many in-game professions and activities, including war, politics, piracy, trading, and exploration So what can we ascertain from those statements? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/154 "2020-05-11T20:33:44Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I think in the how to make isk video they call faction warfare “PvP infused mission running”. If PvP were the core, it wouldn’t need to be infused into anything. Hold up. I got a new quote for this; > [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > and never was actually true in the first place… ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/155 "2020-05-11T20:35:02Z")
> [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > So what can we ascertain from those statements? I don’t ascertain from that information that eve ISN’T a pvp sandbox. That to me sounds like it is. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/156 "2020-05-11T20:36:27Z")
seriously can we stop arguing over whether or not eve is a ■■■■■■■ sandbox??? and stay on ■■■■■■■ topic. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222/157 "2020-05-11T20:43:20Z")
I think we found something else to talk about - although debating skills need some development, it’s almost a start… Should probably have stopped at ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/7/071ef2f613c369532061e78ac3cc224c13426102.png) but sometimes you just have to keep checking 🧐 Back to you and your thread [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/isd-appreciation-on-behalf-of-the-community-thank-you/240222.md?page=8)