# It would be nice if Fleet hangers and other types of Bay were included in the fitting tool **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [August 10, 2024, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237 "2024-08-10T05:18:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![balls\_deep\_Explorer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balls_deep_explorer/32/430028_2.png) [@balls\_deep\_Explorer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/balls_deep_Explorer)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/1 "2024-08-10T05:18:16Z")
here is an example of a situation where that would be useful I’m fitting up a porpoise to go into wormhole space and it’s going to be carrying a control tower I would like to save all that stuff including its Fuel and resources it needs to be deployed into the fit you should also be able to save items that are not necessarily for ship fitting and a ship fit if they are useful to Everyday Eve player use for instance fuel blocks you’re fitting up a holler to haul fuel blocks so you can buy everything at once or you’re buying ore and you want to haul ore ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/2 "2024-08-10T14:50:49Z")
Google the word “Pyfa” and use that. Also Google “pyfa dark mode” and use that. Alternately, copy the fit into a notepad and add them manually. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/3 "2024-08-10T15:24:37Z")
Would be very helpful ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/4 "2024-08-10T17:11:36Z")
Well, considering fleet hangars are older than the current fitting window you’re using, there’s likely a multitude of reasons why they’re not included. 🤔 Use Pyfa. It’s the older, better, more reliable tool. The current in game system is what CCP was able to cobble together after years of people whining on the forums that they shouldn’t need a third party tool, and Pyfa is still better. It is meant for convenience, not as the ultimate tool. Even CCP has stated in the past that some things are easier done third party than trying to make them work with The Giant Spaghetti Monster. If an app has a feature that the game system doesn’t have, there’s a reason for it. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/5 "2024-08-10T19:39:07Z")
I get what you’re saying but jeez, I don’t know of any other game that relies (almost requires) such reliance on third party tools for commonly used game functions! It’s especially annoying when CCP decides to remove those limited in game options and forces even greater dependence on said third party tools. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/6 "2024-08-11T02:10:56Z")
Yeah, but there’s reasons behind it. It isn’t arbitrary denial that a feature would be good. Unfortunately, all the nice forum posts from back when the devs actually participated and explained things are too old for the archives, so I can’t point to their explanation, only give you what I can recall of it. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/7 "2024-08-11T02:41:18Z")
the only reason would be Half-baked… That is what CCP is known for, so stop being a shill here. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 3:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/8 "2024-08-11T03:19:16Z")
How many games allow players to make 3rd party tools. Ccp admitted somewhere that some of the 3rd party tools were better than what they could have done. Not to mention they want eve to be open source to help with creativity ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/9 "2024-08-11T05:28:48Z")
The fitting window as revamped a few times and fleet hangars were already a thing way before the last update to the fitting window that introduced Fitting Simulation. That argument is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 6:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/10 "2024-08-11T06:01:32Z")
All they have to add is the ability to simulate implants and I would no longer have a need for Pyfa. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/11 "2024-08-11T13:41:52Z")
Everybody but you knows we’re discussing the ship simulator, not the fitting window. Learn to read context. 🙄 Go troll elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/12 "2024-08-11T17:19:21Z")
The Ship Sim is part of the fitting window and was introduced many years after Fleet Hangars became a thing. Fleet hangars were introduced with carriers. The Ship Sim was introduced in 2016 when carriers already lived through a few changes and nerfs. > **[Fitting Simulation - Virtual Ship Fitting in EVE Online | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/fitting-simulation-virtual-ship-fitting-in-eve-online)** > > Hi spacefriends! With the expansion EVE Online: Ascension we introduced the new Fitting Simulation, an in-game fitting tool which is integrated into the fitting window. Fitting Simulation will let you engage more easily in the fitting meta-game and... 😒 ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/13 "2024-08-11T20:55:34Z")
I know what they _say_ when they remove a feature; _“it’s not widely used, dev time better spent elsewhere improving x, y, or z, other 3rd party tools are better anyway, technical debt, old entangled code…”_ the list goes on and on. While I will grant that some of those reasons are likely valid, I’ve heard the same things so many times over my years playing that they’re frankly sounding more like excuses from a lazy, unimaginative and disengaged developer. It also doesn’t help that CCP sucks at regularly communing their reasoning with us players. Hell, they refuse to even use their own damned forums to engage with us, instead preferring…yep, _third party_ platforms like Reddit, Twitch or Discord. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/14 "2024-08-12T00:21:15Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > The Ship Sim is part of the fitting window and was introduced many years after Fleet Hangars became a thing. Fleet hangars were introduced with carriers. The Ship Sim was introduced in 2016 when carriers already lived through a few changes and nerfs. Where did you learn to read? > [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](#): > > fleet hangars are older than the current fitting window You’re telling me I’m wrong by saying the exact same thing I am? Like I said, go troll somewhere else. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/15 "2024-08-12T00:29:04Z")
> [@Anabella\_Rella](#): > > frankly sounding more like excuses from a lazy, unimaginative and disengaged developer. If you had any experience running a business or household of your own, you’d understand. In business, things that don’t have good ROI are trimmed for things that have better ROI. Ever been to a Garage Sale? That’s literally a household dumping all the unneeded and unwanted junk before trashing it all. Everywhere, all the time, people and companies get rid of unwanted things, a long running video game is no different. > [@Anabella\_Rella](#): > > It also doesn’t help that CCP sucks at regularly communing their reasoning with us players. They used to. > [@Anabella\_Rella](#): > > Hell, they refuse to even use their own damned forums to engage with us, instead preferring…yep, _third party_ platforms like Reddit, Twitch or Discord. You go where the engagement is. These forums have never been a booming place, they get more engagement on other platforms, and always have. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/16 "2024-08-12T00:30:33Z")
I think CCP’s sole focus is going to be on fixing Equinox before the pre-November migration to the new structures… ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/17 "2024-08-12T00:31:13Z")
I wouldn’t hold your breath that they’re going to change anything before November. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/19 "2024-08-12T02:34:23Z")
Before I retired I was a partner in a small IT consulting business. So I was in fact responsible for running a business for over 20 years. I understand the concept of ROI, thank you. No need to be condescending. It seems that no matter what anyone says you’re going to simply brush their concerns aside and give CCP a pass for their questionable development practices, their lack of effective communication and engagement with their customers and their myriad other issues which have caused their game’s playerbase to shrink drastically since I joined in 2008. That’s of course fine as this is an open platform to share opinions, ideas, etc. However judging from your comments in this and other threads it seems that you enjoy disagreeing with anyone and anything that takes CCP to task, therefore I’ll simply wish you a good weekend and bow out. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/20 "2024-08-12T02:36:18Z")
^ All valid points. I **really** miss the old forums… Yes, there was some toxicity - but the discussions were a lot more interesting and there was a lively debate without turning into a constant slugfest. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237/21 "2024-08-12T09:40:39Z")
No, I am telling you that the newer systems can handle these systems just fine. That’s why they are newer systems. That’s well demonstrated by CCP’s ability to introduce new ships with these hangars and giving old ships these hangars (as it happened during the major capital rework, where all dreads also got fleet hangars and SMB). [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/it-would-be-nice-if-fleet-hangers-and-other-types-of-bay-were-included-in-the-fitting-tool/458237.md?page=2)