# It's nearly the anniversary of the Empress's Historic Announcement **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [December 15, 2018, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155 "2018-12-15T10:50:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Louella\_Dougans](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louella_dougans/32/402944_2.png) [@Louella\_Dougans](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Louella_Dougans)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/1 "2018-12-15T10:50:23Z")
In 10 days, it will be the 10th anniversary of the [historic announcement](https://www.eveonline.com/article/empress-jamyl-i-makes-historic-emancipation-announcement-1), that emancipated many slaves, made by Empress Jamyl 1, may her soul be at peace. The Empress also announced that God had informed her that the cluster was moving into a new age of light and reason, where slavery and hatred would be things of the past. Which of course gave all Imperial subjects the duty to move things in that direction. Thus, on the 10th anniversary, we should take time to reflect on the Empress’s message, and consider our own progress in bringing God’s instruction about, and what the righteous and correct course of action should be for the coming year. While of course remembering our duty to the Empress Catiz 1, long may she reign, and the spiritual tasks that she shall set the Faithful in the coming year. ---
**Author:** ![Alizabeth\_Vea](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alizabeth_vea/32/122884_2.png) [@Alizabeth\_Vea](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alizabeth_Vea)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/2 "2018-12-15T21:07:01Z")
It is heartbreaking that such horrendous events mar the anniversary of such an important event. ---
**Author:** ![Isha\_Vuld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isha_vuld/32/470113_2.png) [@Isha\_Vuld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Isha_Vuld)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/3 "2018-12-17T01:04:05Z")
> [@Louella\_Dougans](#): > > The Empress also announced that God had informed her that the cluster was moving into a new age of light and reason, where slavery and hatred would be things of the past. Which of course gave all Imperial subjects the duty to move things in that direction. I’m pretty sure the Amarr failed miserably on that count. Mayhaps that is why the Empire is now engulfed in > [@Alizabeth\_Vea](#): > > horrendous events ---
**Author:** ![Alizabeth\_Vea](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alizabeth_vea/32/122884_2.png) [@Alizabeth\_Vea](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alizabeth_Vea)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 3:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/4 "2018-12-17T03:17:01Z")
Well. You’re not wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Rana\_Ash](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rana_ash/32/374123_2.png) [@Rana\_Ash](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rana_Ash)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/5 "2018-12-17T07:08:45Z")
Question, isn’t it an affront to your deity and whom ever is in charge now to break the command?, or is it pick and choose what you want to follow and what orders to obey?.. ---
**Author:** ![Mitara\_Newelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitara_newelle/32/384431_2.png) [@Mitara\_Newelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitara_Newelle)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/7 "2018-12-17T17:30:10Z")
You foreigners need to stop projecting your ‘now’ sense of time on Amarr timescales. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/8 "2018-12-17T19:00:17Z")
Is “now” somehow different in your part of the cluster? I assume you’re trying to insinuate that you will “get around to” freeing the slaves “at some point” as opposed to doing it now, or at least in an acceptably efficient time frame. Ten years, I should note, is not acceptably efficient. Don’t deflect your people’s failure to fulfill terms onto some “foreign” interpretation of “Amarr timescales.” ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/9 "2018-12-17T19:20:56Z")
Jamyl never said ‘now’. Only that a new age was ‘on the horizon’, and ‘racing towards us’. Similar ideas were remarked by Heideran in the Pax Amarria, and past emperors before him. It’s a non-statement, and the Amarr can push it off as long as they like. I doubt Jamyl ever meant to end slavery. It just lets her be claimed to have prophesized it whenever it _does_ arrive, which could be decades or centuries or millenia from now, and it excuses any reductions in slavery in the short term as a sign of this one-day future. ---
**Author:** ![Mitara\_Newelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitara_newelle/32/384431_2.png) [@Mitara\_Newelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitara_Newelle)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/10 "2018-12-17T20:22:11Z")
I’m not sure if the terrorist heretic Kernher was addressing me with “Jamyl never said ‘now’” or was just generally commentating, but yes, she did not say ‘now’ and I was not implying that she did. That all said, I shall clarify my words - What I was addressing is the immediacy the other peoples of the cluster tend to view time whereas Amarr, being eternal, tends to take a longer view in comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veikitamo_gesakaarin/32/314638_2.png) [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veikitamo_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/11 "2018-12-17T20:33:54Z")
Procrastination of that degree does not seem beneficial. The Empire has been in a strategic rut because it is surrounded by societies that accomplish in centuries what the Amarr take in millennia. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/12 "2018-12-17T22:54:56Z")
> [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](#): > > it is surrounded by societies that accomplish in centuries what the Amarr take in millennia. We have different priorities. Your standard is flawed. ---
**Author:** ![Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veikitamo_gesakaarin/32/314638_2.png) [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veikitamo_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/13 "2018-12-18T00:35:47Z")
I can only surmise then that having an innovative and creative society with the industrial and economic base to achieve the objectives and interests of the state vis-a-vis others is not an Amarrian priority. ---
**Author:** ![Louella\_Dougans](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louella_dougans/32/402944_2.png) [@Louella\_Dougans](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Louella_Dougans)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/14 "2018-12-19T16:00:25Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > Is “now” somehow different in your part of the cluster? In some aspects, yes. You see, while the Minmatar Rebellion is something that most people in the Republic, State, or Federation read about in history articles, in Amarr, especially in the upper echelons of some parts of society, there are still people for whom the Rebellion, and the pre-Rebellion times, are things they experienced. I, myself, can ask my grandfather about what he experienced as a junior officer in the Army during the war. Thus, things are slow to change. But change they shall. My grandmother, and her friends, for example, have been training their Ealurian slaves for a while. Turns out, they’re just as capable at more academic tasks as any other people, given the right education. Things Will Change. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/15 "2018-12-19T16:08:22Z")
> [@Louella\_Dougans](#): > > My grandmother, and her friends, for example, have been training their Ealurian slaves for a while. Turns out, they’re just as capable at more academic tasks as any other people, given the right education. > > Things Will Change. I sincerely hope this is not insinuating that were the Empire to let Minmatar free, it would just replace them with massively increasing breeding of the Ealurians or any other slavestock. Some of my brothers and sisters might be content with that, but I won’t. ---
**Author:** ![Louella\_Dougans](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louella_dougans/32/402944_2.png) [@Louella\_Dougans](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Louella_Dougans)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/16 "2018-12-19T16:21:42Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > I sincerely hope this is not insinuating that were the Empire to let Minmatar free, it would just replace them with massively increasing breeding of the Ealurians or any other slavestock. Some of my brothers and sisters might be content with that, but I won’t. How on Athra did you come up with that interpretation ? My point was that training the Ealurians to be free people has been a pet project of my grandmother and friends for nearly a century now. It takes a lot of careful management and effort to get those results. Training the Minmatar to be free Imperial citizens would be a decades-long project as well, I’d expect. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/17 "2018-12-19T16:32:56Z")
> [@Louella\_Dougans](#): > > How on Athra did you come up with that interpretation ? I just did. > [@Louella\_Dougans](#): > > Training the Minmatar to be free Imperial citizens would be a decades-long project as well, I’d expect. It would be, if Minmatar wanted to be Imperial citizens in the first place. Clearly, that they take any chance they can get to rebel, might hint otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/18 "2018-12-19T21:30:16Z")
> [@Louella\_Dougans](#): > > while the Minmatar Rebellion is something that most people in the Republic, State, or Federation read about in history articles, I take so, so _so_ much issue with this. For the Federation and the State, this might be true, but do you _really_ think that _Matari_ learn about the Great Rebellion from “history articles”? Have you considered that the results of the Rebellion, and of _Amarr invasion and enslavement of our peoples_, still resonate among our communities, permeate our lives in tiny, insidious ways? You’ll have to _excuse_ us for wanting the complete eradication of the institution of slavery, and the return of our brothers and sisters, _right the ■■■■ now_, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Kuba\_Ganowski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuba_ganowski/32/87636_2.png) [@Kuba\_Ganowski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuba_Ganowski)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/19 "2018-12-19T21:55:23Z")
This is Gods act were just actors in it ---
**Author:** ![Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seraphea_vellastraan/32/297158_2.png) [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Seraphea_Vellastraan)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/20 "2018-12-19T21:58:02Z")
I believe that it’s fair to say that the Rebellion has not ended and will not end until the Tribes have thrown off the yoke of Amarr. The actual fighting may wax and wane, with various sides attempting to negotiate for their goals when they can. After all, if the Tribes could free all our people without fighting, I would hope we would do that. If not, may God have mercy upon the Amarr Empire. ---
**Author:** ![Mitara\_Newelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitara_newelle/32/384431_2.png) [@Mitara\_Newelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitara_Newelle)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155/21 "2018-12-19T22:01:56Z")
God’s mercy is already with us. It’s the rest of you that must seek redemption. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-nearly-the-anniversary-of-the-empresss-historic-announcement/127155.md?page=2)