# It's not a contract if you can't complete it - Courier **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 22, 2018, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741 "2018-08-22T00:43:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/101 "2018-08-22T13:53:06Z")
The most important commodity in EvE is trust. Which ends this discussion. Don’t use citadels if you don’t trust the owners. It is intended gameplay. Stop whining and learn how to play the game. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/102 "2018-08-22T13:54:06Z")
Yeah but… Does it blend? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/103 "2018-08-22T14:12:30Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > I thought that was obvious, since, you know, i was talking about that very thing, in the paragraph right above it. and just before you were not when adressing to me. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > unless you know the hauler, * * * > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > No. > > Because everyone who was smart enough to realize what the warning message, in red, meant, didnt touch it. No. Because nobody made public contract to NS, unless NPC. However people make public contract in HS. So people expect with the citadels to be able to make public contract to a citadel in HS, and get this contract performed. This is just as interesting gameplay-wise as making a modification that randomly makes you lose all the money when you place a BO/SO. Because that’s exactly what it is, and that’s why people don’t use it, thus it is BROKEN. That is a feature that forces the hauler to gamble a huge investment whenever you feel like using it, with a good chance to lose it all and a very small chance to gain a very small amount. If you think it’s fine, then go play your own crappy lootbox game and stop playing spreadsheet online. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/104 "2018-08-22T14:37:56Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > and just before you were not when adressing to me. K, so a sentence at the end of the post, in a different paragraph and to a response from a different quote, is something that alludes to a sentence at the beginning of the post, in reply to a different quote. Got it. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Because nobody made public contract to NS, unless NPC. People did. I know for a fact. I used to run courier contracts before citadels existed. I dont know if they were trying to scam, or if they were legit. I could certainly understand it, though, cause i almost fell for clicking on it, till i read where the destination lead. The red letters are a giveaway. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > However people make public contract in HS. So people expect with the citadels to be able to make public contract to a citadel in HS, and get this contract performed. Except for that sentence in red letters. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Because that’s exactly what it is, and that’s why people don’t use it, thus it is BROKEN. Its not broken, the problem here is trust. You might as well say the contract system is broken because people scam in jita local, or that the trade window system is broken because people use it to scam. The fact of the matter is, no one is complaining about this because it doesnt affect them. They know better. Dont accept trade windows with people unless you know them. Dont accept contracts without looking over the fine details. And this is a fine detail, with courier contracts. The station may not be accessible to you. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > That is a feature that forces the hauler to gamble a huge investment whenever you feel like using it, with a good chance to lose it all and a very small chance to gain a very small amount. Then dont gamble. Its that simple. Haulers take a gamble when they courier to lowsec or nullsec. Haulers take a gamble when they courier through 0.5 sec space. Haulers take a gamble when they accept a courier contract and the person who did the contract, is waiting outside with a gank fleet. There is an inherent amount of risk with courier contracts. Haulers accept this risk by choice. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > If you think it’s fine, then go play your own crappy lootbox game and stop playing spreadsheet online. Actually, the game already agrees with me. So i think its fine, and ill continue to play spreadsheet online feat. citadels courier blocking. It feels like youre the one who has a problem with it. So why dont you play free to play game #271829. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/105 "2018-08-22T14:56:02Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > > [@Whitehound](#): > > > > The easiest alternative would be to simply not support courier contracts in combination with structures > > No. Go away. It is the easiest alternative, and when you don’t understand this then you should go away. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/106 "2018-08-22T15:10:12Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > It is the easiest alternative, and when you don’t understand this then you should go away. No, the easiest alternative is to shut down EVE forever. All the problems will be solved that way. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/107 "2018-08-22T15:12:27Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > > [@Whitehound](#): > > > > It is the easiest alternative, and when you don’t understand this then you should go away. > > No, the easiest alternative is to shut down EVE forever. All the problems will be solved that way. No, shutting down the forum would be easier. It’ll leave us the game and all complaints can go to ~~hell~~ Reddit. Anyhow, my original comment was: > [@Whitehound](#): > > The easiest alternative would be to simply not support courier contracts in combination with structures. However, then you get complaints on why it’s not possible to have them. So now it’s a compromise. He simply read the first sentence and that was it for him. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/108 "2018-08-22T15:16:17Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > No, shutting down the forum would be easier. It’ll leave us the game and all complaints can go to ~~hell~~ Reddit. That would be easier. So would getting rid of CCP customer service. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/109 "2018-08-22T15:26:17Z")
Let’s just get rid of our PCs. ![Blank%20_d7b12c8f2b411a430ac763cbb6673a39](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/6/8629171b03a899dcae9b374ffc61fd402c99f066.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Zoltan\_Irvam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoltan_irvam/32/273872_2.png) [@Zoltan\_Irvam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoltan_Irvam)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/110 "2018-08-22T15:40:52Z")
The point is, right now, nobody in their right mind will take a courier contract to an arbitrary Upwell structurel. If you need stuff delivered to that, it is not gonna happen, at least not with reputable service like red/blackfrog or pushx. The idea of using an NPC station is cute but that might be multiple gatecamps away or you just don’t have the capacity to move the items from the NPC station to the destination structure. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/111 "2018-08-22T15:44:36Z")
Sounds like a personal problem. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/112 "2018-08-22T15:46:44Z")
> [@Zoltan\_Irvam](#): > > might be multiple gatecamps away No HS system is farther than 3 jumps away from a NPC station. You should be able to handle few jumps in remote systems to move your stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/113 "2018-08-22T16:28:39Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > Let’s just get rid of our PCs. But i like porn. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/114 "2018-08-22T16:55:31Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > That would be easier. So would getting rid of CCP customer service. If the devs were all let go we would not have to worry about dumb ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/115 "2018-08-22T17:18:48Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > If the devs were all let go we would not have to worry about dumb ideas. what about all the dumb ideas that are already implimented? ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/116 "2018-08-22T18:19:40Z")
So many good words. And nothing related to thread. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/117 "2018-08-22T18:31:45Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741/118 "2018-08-22T18:32:10Z")
Since this topic seems to have gone off the rails, I’ll just close it for being off topic. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-not-a-contract-if-you-cant-complete-it-courier/99741.md?page=5)