# It's Time for an EVE Online Hardcore Server **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 27, 2023, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624 "2023-08-27T07:01:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Rail\_J\_kar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rail_j_kar/32/374429_2.png) [@Rail\_J\_kar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rail_J_kar)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/101 "2023-08-31T07:35:29Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > > > just spitballing here, im sure if anyone added to this idea of mine there could be a lot of things people could try to flesh out on where it could go… > > Your idea amounts to developing a wholly different game. Not really, what Max is describing is just EVE without pods (and of course your permadeath concept.) I suppose you could rework the skill system for that mode too… to work more like traditional xp… and have actual crew on the ship. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/102 "2023-08-31T08:35:54Z")
You mean you are also the same as us? ---
**Author:** ![Dread\_Zeppe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dread_zeppe/32/379499_2.png) [@Dread\_Zeppe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dread_Zeppe)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/103 "2023-08-31T13:45:32Z")
I think the key here will be skill extraction… like you’ll have to trade skillpoints for a static copy, and introduce some kind of barrier for entry like 20m sp ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/104 "2023-08-31T15:17:14Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > In recent times, a slate of the most popular MMOs have popped off with their offerings of “hardcore” modes, which are _very_ popular with the streaming world in particular. Games like Path of Exile, Diablo, and now World of Warcraft Classic (something I’m considering playing right this moment) are all generating a lot of hype with their (wholly optional) hardcore server rule sets. This would be as good a time as any for CCP/EVE to jump on this bandwagon as both a revenue driver _and_ an opportunity to market the main product (i.e. “normal” EVE Online) to a subset of gamers who aren’t normally interested in EVE. > > For those not in the know, a “hardcore mode” is one in which death/loss is permanent. As in, you don’t just lose your gear and items, but the character in its entirety. > > CCP can offer hardcore server access to all subscribed accounts, with one character slot per account. Some minor rule changes might be in order, like a sped-up training rate for characters (I’m thinking a reasonable 2x) in order to get people into the action faster, and maybe loosening the requirements on certain ships and items, but otherwise the hardcore mode would follow the normal version’s rule set. > > I’m fully aware that this isn’t an original idea. However, it hasn’t really been discussed in a while, and I believe that now is a _very_ good time to have this conversation, because the hype train is just about to depart the station. It would also be a very creative new way to play the game, as our conventional understanding of it as players would no longer apply with the existence of perma-death. For example, _trust_ would become a much more important factor between players, because there would now be increased impetus to share wealth and assets (i.e. keep more stuff in corporate storage, because “if I die in the upcoming battle, I want our corporation to continue prospering”). Likewise, commitment to wars and battles would now be a much heavier decision, because the loss of manpower would become _the_ primary factor in deciding conflict winners. > > With EVE’s capacity for large-scale PvP warfare that other games simply don’t offer, I think EVE’s hardcore mode would be _legendary._ A nice idea, but I doubt on people’s commitment to make something like this happen. More likely we’d all be in velators or T1 frigs, since any effort required to build and undock in anything else without dying in the process would be next to impossible. Would love to see it though, would make the Eve universe feel much more alive. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/105 "2023-09-01T06:15:42Z")
> [@Erik\_Doshu](#): > > More likely we’d all be in velators or T1 frigs, since any effort required to build and undock in anything else without dying in the process would be next to impossible. I disagree. I think bigger and more advanced ships would still be prevalent. It’s just that not nearly every single player would be flying a T3 or Marauder or Ikitursa or whatever. You’d probably see a lot more T1 battlecruisers and battleships, and elite ships like large T2 hulls and Triglavian ships would be a very big status symbols. Interdictors (and their pilots) would be exceptionally rare, and downright _legendary._ ---
**Author:** ![Rail\_J\_kar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rail_j_kar/32/374429_2.png) [@Rail\_J\_kar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rail_J_kar)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/106 "2023-09-01T07:53:39Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > [@Erik\_Doshu](#): > > > > More likely we’d all be in velators or T1 frigs, since any effort required to build and undock in anything else without dying in the process would be next to impossible. > > I disagree. I also disagree. I don’t think the server would be popular, but for the people who do, they’d get in the best thing they could fly since that would give them the best chance at survival. Solo pvp would probably be much less common though, unless it’s hitting miners in cloaky ships. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/107 "2023-09-01T08:40:08Z")
Here’s another fresh WoW HC compilation. There’s a very EVE-relevant section that starts at the linked time stamp: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/7/5/d75cc97b037ef98c8ceccc2a0fc932a2dd8407d3.jpeg "WoW Classic Hardcore deaths are getting worse") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSetmh5XAto&t=937) ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/108 "2023-09-01T08:50:05Z")
What’s with all these only fans videos you keep sharing? ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/109 "2023-09-01T09:56:03Z")
Dude looks like Jared Leto when he was going through his “I think I’m jesus” phase. ---
**Author:** ![Tahiro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tahiro/32/380789_2.png) [@Tahiro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tahiro)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/110 "2023-09-01T10:06:01Z")
the whole vid shows basically how i imagine the average eve player. the priest was probably a highsec “pvper”, trying some lame cheese but so bad at the game he still got outplayed by a weaker opponent because he could not 5v1 or did not outlevel(upship) enough ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/111 "2023-09-01T10:20:47Z")
I have no reason to object to this. I think permadeath is sufficiently game changing that it doesn’t really detract from the main game, but I would expect people to skirt the loss of their items through storage alts, even if they have to pay for it. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/112 "2023-09-01T10:23:24Z")
> [@Tahiro](#): > > the whole vid is basically how i imagine the average eve player. the priest was probably a highsec “pvper”, trying some lame cheese but so bad at the game he still got outplayed by a weaker opponent because he could not 5v1 or did not outlevel(upship) enough Actually the priest out-leveled the paladin by 9 levels, which is a _massive_ difference due to the way that WoW stats work (anything over 3 levels above you is virtually impossible to defeat). It’s just that, as Asmon said, the priest was really, _really_ bad at the game. As bad as those no-skill idiots who do nothing but high-sec wars all day and think that they’re actually skilled at PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/113 "2023-09-01T10:25:19Z")
You can always tell the difference between someone who skilled up and someone who walleted up. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/114 "2023-09-01T10:30:55Z")
RMT is really interesting in WoW HC because of how quickly you out-level items. You can buy some gold and swipe some good blue gear from the auction house, but after two levels you’d already be getting green quest rewards with better stats. EVE would be _vastly_ different in this regard, because a T2 armor hardener is as good for a 2-month-old character as it is for a 10-year-old character. There would probably be a very prevalent RMT market in EVE HC, but to be fair that’s true for pretty much any MMO today. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2023, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/115 "2023-09-08T12:46:49Z")
@Destiny_Corrupted well, hardcore character is an old idea of mine, very few people were attracted to it, it wasn’t a trend at that time But now it’s a trend so I also made a thread about it, glad to hear your thoughts about my model [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hardcore-characters-with-permadeath-in-eve](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hardcore-characters-with-permadeath-in-eve) ---
**Author:** ![Tahiro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tahiro/32/380789_2.png) [@Tahiro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tahiro)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/116 "2023-09-10T07:53:28Z")
the paladin has exactly the mindset of certain eve players, its hilarious [https://youtu.be/-rdzXvWqX\_M?si=yCbyUspFiYla76XO&t=62](https://youtu.be/-rdzXvWqX_M?si=yCbyUspFiYla76XO&t=62) ---
**Author:** ![Mii\_Lady](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mii_lady/32/380260_2.png) [@Mii\_Lady](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mii_Lady)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/117 "2023-09-10T08:50:27Z")
Just accept this can never happen nor can a pve server. Tranquility is an ecosystem that relies on a balance of creation and destruction and to upset that balance by taking any part of the system and putting it in a separate isolated location is gonna pull it apart at the seems. It’s an insane notion. And really highlights your lack of understanding of both the mechanics and spirit of EVE. And yes while there are some people who from their limited perspective selfishly want the game exactly as they want it. Those people are literally willing to put their own desires ahead of the health of the game for the majority and that’s why it can’t be allowed. EVER! Im sorry if that blunt answer upsets you. But if it does you need to learn more of how EVE works. This idea is like storming the capital or burning your state’s constitution. It’s an assault on the fundamental principals of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/119 "2023-09-10T08:58:58Z")
> [@Mii\_Lady](#): > > And really highlights your lack of understanding of both the mechanics and spirit of EVE. I might not know much about the mechanics and spirit of EVE, but I do know two things: 1. What kind of game experience I’d like to have 2. What’s popular on the marketplace right now And those two things make me desire the existence of an EVE hardcore server. ---
**Author:** ![Mii\_Lady](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mii_lady/32/380260_2.png) [@Mii\_Lady](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mii_Lady)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/120 "2023-09-10T08:59:46Z")
go find a different game then. because thats not EVE that you want. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624/121 "2023-09-10T09:00:12Z")
It absolutely _is_ the EVE that I want, which is why I’m asking for it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/its-time-for-an-eve-online-hardcore-server/417624.md?page=7)