# JihadSwarm Declares WAR on Molea **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** pve\ **Created:** [July 22, 2020, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209 "2020-07-22T07:36:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/22 "2020-07-22T17:03:53Z")
That is not entirely true. There is a lot of other junk there. ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/23 "2020-07-22T17:05:50Z")
“whole point” as in - the original idea. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/24 "2020-07-22T17:15:19Z")
It is not my intention to contradict you here. My understanding was that the original concept was that the founder of the site wanted to have a place to put all the in-game corpses they came across into a big graveyard. I was under the impression that it was initially an in-game role-playing site. It later grew in significance as people brought corpses of players (not sure about the terminology here) to the site. At this point, the site is serving dual purposes and it is a mess. If we want it to be an actual memorial for deceased Eve players, that is cool, but CCP would have to build some game mechanic around that. Right now it is just a pretty monument that lets you anchor cans next to it. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/25 "2020-07-22T17:19:07Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > it is just a pretty monument Is it actually ‘pretty’? I have heard local residents refer to it as “that eyesore” and “the garbage pile”. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/26 "2020-07-22T17:20:23Z")
I wanted to be charitable. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/27 "2020-07-22T17:28:20Z")
@Aiko_Danuja, if you come across a can labelled “Tabs, gone but not forgotten” I’d be grateful if you left it alone. This is Tabs. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/4/a40cb32efcd42f8e67841039d62e116db5138b34.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/28 "2020-07-22T17:44:07Z")
I like cats, but Tabs would want me to pounce. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/29 "2020-07-22T17:49:34Z")
Nah, she would want you to feed her and then tickle her belly. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/30 "2020-07-22T17:52:19Z")
> [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](#): > > “whole point” as in - the original idea. Wasn’t the original idea inspired from someone collecting corpses? Not capsuleers that would never return, but just corpses in general. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/32 "2020-07-22T18:11:48Z")
No, sadly, everyday those limits are surpassed, new goals set and then they strive to achieve even greater heights or depths. m ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/33 "2020-07-22T18:14:15Z")
yes that was the idea she asked for corpses to be donated to be “buried” at the cemetery , many of my alts corpses were donated and interred there. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/34 "2020-07-22T18:22:51Z")
Although I don’t support the attack of a memorial site, I’m glad that the EVE universe allows players to be truly evil. ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/35 "2020-07-22T18:48:24Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Wasn’t the original idea inspired from someone collecting corpses? > Not capsuleers that would never return, but just corpses in general. It was my _impression_… I’m prepared to admit being wrong on this, I didn’t dig back to any original postings when I wrote what I did. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Although I don’t support the attack of a memorial site, I’m glad that the EVE universe allows players to be truly evil. I have trouble endorsing ‘truly evil,’ but recognize that EVE lets you choose a side, in a way ‘theme park’ mmo’s don’t. It makes EVE more memorable than boss raid #2385, both for good and… because bad things can happen. > “[Eve is very dark](http://deadendthrills.com/fire-and-ice-the-cold-heart-of-eve-online/),” confirms creative director Torfi Frans Ólafsson. “It’s harsh. It is supposed to be unforgiving. The original designers played a lot of Ultima Online, which was a fantastic sandbox game, and it allowed you to be very devious and very immoral in the way that you played. What they loved about it is that player killers, the griefers – people who just went around and killed other people – became so unpopular that other people banded together. Good started fighting evil, and without true evil you can’t have true good. So you had these bands of righteous people chasing player killers, and those player killers were the original Eve designers; they created a game about that mechanic.” ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/36 "2020-07-22T18:55:17Z")
> [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](#): > > I have trouble endorsing ‘truly evil,’ but recognize that EVE lets you choose a side, in a way ‘theme park’ mmo’s don’t. The nice thing is that in EVE you don’t have to choose a pre-defined side, you can make your own sides. CCP sometimes forces sides (for example Triglavians vs Edencom), but in the case of this thread someone created their own side ‘against the Molea memorial’, thereby encouraging others to pick the other side to defend the memorial. Player-driven content! Also while ‘truly evil’ is debatable, I’d say declaring war on a memorial site is pretty high on the evil-scale. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/37 "2020-07-22T18:57:32Z")
> [@](#): > > Good started fighting evil, and without true evil you can’t have true good. Here here. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/38 "2020-07-22T19:00:44Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Good started fighting evil, and without true evil you can’t have true good. > > Here here. I’m pretty sure that’s why CCP doesn’t just make the whole site invulnerable and unlootable. Would make things a lot easier, but there’s no way to show respect when it’s enforced. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/39 "2020-07-22T19:06:00Z")
> [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](#): > > without true evil you can’t have true good Every good story needs convincing villains, good and evil seem to be concepts that Eve revels in and provides ample opportunity for people to engage in. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/40 "2020-07-22T19:44:58Z")
First of all, I want to explicitly and unambiguously declare my position: I think desecrating a graveyard dedicated to players who died IRL is pretty reprehensible. Having said that… such desecration is totally in the spirit of EVE just as is suicide ganking newbs in hisec or CCP implementing “no asset safety” _ **without a grandfathering mechanic** _ to structures in k-space after promising asset safety or hunting players to the edge of New Eden ([cough cough](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-hunt-for-komi-valentine-is-over/240934/378)). If the mechanic exists by which something can be exploited, it will and probably should be exploited regardless of its intent. I suspect the reason why CCP did not give the memorial special facilities such as view-only/deposit-only hangar for corpses, etc, is so that they could preserve existing behavior (ie. desecration would continue to be a thing) as they progress with their removal of old-style CT “stick” POSes. If you have a problem with desecration, don’t get mad at Aiko, get mad at CCP - they had the opportunity to eliminate this player dynamic but they chose to preserve it. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/41 "2020-07-22T20:01:08Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > The Sheikh has decreed, that the Jihadswarm will henceforth be at WAR with Molea. Cans don’t shoot back. Seems about right for you guys. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2020, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209/42 "2020-07-22T20:20:11Z")
The amount of virtue signaling in this thread (especially at the beginning) is pretty _intense_. > [@Xeux](#): > > > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > > > and various players from all walks of eve coming together to defend it. > > We will just have to see if anybody cares enough to do anything but whine about it. That’s the crux of the issue, isn’t it? Every time someone does, or plans to do, something “bad” in the game, the pearl-clutchers pour out of the woodwork, throw their hands up to the heavens, and shout “won’t someone do something about this!?” Never mind the fact that just like everyone else in the game, they can use guns, likely own _more_ of them (because they’re greedy, wealth-driven egoists) than the “evil” players, and outnumber the belligerent undesirables fifty-to-one. No, the only work they’re willing to put in is a sphincter-clenching appeal to morality. What those sociopaths are up to now…Oh, won’t somebody think of the children, and save us from this suffering? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jihadswarm-declares-war-on-molea/256209.md?page=3)