# Jita Astronomical Observatory - Exploring New Eden - An EVE Online Astronomy Club **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 22, 2020, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273 "2020-11-22T23:59:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/21 "2020-11-23T07:50:13Z")
> [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](#): > > You just don’t need multiple threads about it when an additional post in this thread would work better Thanks for liking it, I just disagree in _this_ instance because of how much content is waiting to be discovered. Just suggest to make a whole sub-forum for it. I’d keep it plenty full of new posts so it wouldn’t be a waste… Honestly, I don’t know HOW CCP built it, but somehow they have a fairly consistent star-field, with interesting objects to discover. It looks like there’s a lot of potential here for player-driven content to actually _map out_ New Eden. Because as mentioned elsewhere, we can show the New Eden map to be “relative” and not to scale. And we can prove the “Jump Drives” are not accurate either (which can be written off with story-content like warping spacetime etc.) I just think it’d be more organized if more threads could be made, and also if it wasn’t piled in with General Discussion (though this may be a pipe dream). ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/22 "2020-11-23T07:51:46Z")
I’ll ask, but there’s a few subforums that would also work, such as [Known Space](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/exploration-gameplay-center/known-space/52). ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/23 "2020-11-23T07:52:29Z")
Incidentally I happened to prove that there are _OVERLAPPING_ astronomical structures between regions. The Forge _and_ Lonetrek both contain what I call _The Holly Bough Nebula_ but is properly known as [Caroline’s Star](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carolines-star/52556) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/c/9c9559627abe469a919b43e24ab6d275b70bef9f.jpeg) [Caroline’s Star](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carolines-star/52556) I so call it because it looks like a green bough of holly (nothing else came to mind). ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/24 "2020-11-23T07:54:33Z")
That… is [Caroline’s Star](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carolines-star/52556). It has an entire lore reason for existing, though no one is sure why it can be seen all across New Eden despite being created only a few years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/25 "2020-11-23T07:54:37Z")
> [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](#): > > I’ll ask, but there’s a few subforums that would also work, such as [Known Space](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/exploration-gameplay-center/known-space/52). This might work just as sufficiently. If soooo…maybe leave this ONE thread here for more to view, but some bigger discoveries/ideas can be posted in some themed threads in [Known Space](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/exploration-gameplay-center/known-space/52). It’s all a rather new concept, I have been kinda wanting to do this for a while then today decided to finally start; not knowing where to begin; and it’s just developing as it goes along. I think the coolest possible task for the community would be to figure out the actual distances between star systems using the available information. There should be enough, but it’s no easy task. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/26 "2020-11-23T07:56:40Z")
> [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](#): > > That… is [Caroline’s Star](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/carolines-star/52556). It has an entire lore reason for existing, though no one is sure why it can be seen all across New Eden despite being created only a few years ago. That’s pretty cool actually. I’m not even sure where I’d go to pick up that lore because frankly the lore-delivery system in game is pretty poor. I suggest look at the old game Thief. Not its newer renditions but Thief 1 and Thief 2 especially. They had a way of injecting lore into the game that was phenomenal through things you’d discover along the way that were tangential but usually important to the missions. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/27 "2020-11-23T07:57:22Z")
Maybe look into bringing [Project Compass](http://wiki.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?title=Project_Compass) back. It was originally for Anoikis, but I see no reason besides lack of members and Arek’Jaalan not being a thing for many years that it couldn’t make a come back. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/28 "2020-11-23T07:59:55Z")
> [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](#): > > Arek’Jaalan not being a thing for many years Some of us are still alive and active in the RP community. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/29 "2020-11-23T08:01:33Z")
I can’t say that I am an active RP’er; I’m just going off things I can remember since I’m old. But it’s great to see people working together to figure stuff out, especially when it comes to lore in EVE that isn’t explicitly spelled out. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/30 "2020-11-23T08:02:01Z")
> [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](#): > > Maybe look into bringing [Project Compass](http://wiki.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?title=Project_Compass) back. It was originally for Anoikis, but I see no reason besides lack of members and Arek’Jaalan not being a thing for many years that it couldn’t make a come back. This indeed does look like it would be right up the alley of [Project Compass](http://wiki.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?title=Project_Compass). Ever since I saw the robust “Ancient Spire University” of Sea of Thieves…where they literally map out the pattern the storm follows, and figured out the timing of the Solar eclipses… I was hoping EvE had a complex enough background to sustain a similar project. Shame it seems old and rusted. Let’s dust it off somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/31 "2020-11-23T08:04:44Z")
> [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](#): > > especially when it comes to lore in EVE that isn’t explicitly spelled out. This is still the greatest mystery I think exists since there seems to be continuity, but who really designed it to have any? Go back to the _Divining Rod_ constellation. I’m reasonably certain that it is NOT a set of Stars that are part of the New Eden Jump-gate system. So it’s part of the Background Skybox. But…I’m reasonably certain that the constellation morphs as would be expected changing viewing angle over great distances, between Jita and Josameto. If that’s the case, I wonder what the reason is, if it’s just stars on a skybox…or what the skybox actually is, maybe that’s only for the Astronomical Features, and the star-field is itself a real 3-dimensional thing visible from any point within a 3-dimensional New Eden? ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/32 "2020-11-23T08:05:07Z")
The main reason Arek’Jaalan stopped was the person in charge of it left the company, and no one took over if I’m not mistaken. Nothing saying a player couldn’t dust it off and get it rolling again, though it was aimed at wormhole space. Though also to be fair it introduced us to trinary data code, interestingly enough. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/33 "2020-11-23T08:06:24Z")
> [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](#): > > Though also to be fair it introduced us to trinary data code, interestingly enough. Are you saying you’re using a Ternary system or I’m misunderstanding what you’re alluding to? ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/34 "2020-11-23T08:07:04Z")
The best way to test that is to keep it’s position in mind and go system to system seeing if you can keep track of it. You might even be able to get it named after you ala Caroline’s Star! ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/35 "2020-11-23T08:07:37Z")
As for the nebula being larger than should be maybe it can be explained with gravitational lens effect due to dark matter or whatever exotic reason one can come up with. Not necessarily 100% scientifically accurate but stuff in EVE aren’t 100% scientifically accurate either or just some things work differently in the New Eden cluster of space. So not sure if actually a good solution maybe other better explanation would exists, just bringing it up that there can be explanations even if some sort of anomalous ones. 💡 ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/36 "2020-11-23T08:08:41Z")
> [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](#): > > The best way to test that is to keep it’s position in mind and go system to system seeing if you can keep track of it. You might even be able to get it named after you ala Caroline’s Star! Aint nobody wants my ugly mug immortalized in an EVE Constellation 😉 But, on that note, that is how I would set about figuring out the starfield, but I got wrapped up in a few other more interesting tasks such as approximating the _Badminton Nebula’s_ location on the New Eden map, which lead to the discussion about lightyear problems and New Eden map problems…so got a bit side tracked from the starfield. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/37 "2020-11-23T08:10:25Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > As for the nebula being larger than should be maybe it can be explained with gravitational lens effect due to dark matter or whatever exotic reason one can come up with. While creative, the actual explanation is more easily explained with the distances being much greater than the New Eden Map suggests. And certainly greater than the Jump Drive suggests. I think enough evidence has been compiled to throw both out as reliable sources for distances. I’d rather write-off the Jump Drive distances as being warped-space accounting figures that somehow map to general-relative spacetime. And the New Eden map never has to be to “scale” anyway. It just shows relativistic positions in a convenient format for navigation. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/38 "2020-11-23T08:12:00Z")
The guy in charge of Arek’Jaalan went into wormhole space at some point, and then later his…I want to say Helios turned up unpiloted somewhere in a wormhole. Capsuleers being what they are shot it on site and among the wreckage was an item pertaining to trinary data, though no one knew what it was for at the time. Actually, hold on, I found the related article. Have a read [here](https://www.eveonline.com/article/lost-helios-full-of-mystery). There’s more on the whole situation [here](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arekjaalan-hilen-tukosss-final-message-and-the-truths-of-the-upwell-consortium/199269) if you enjoy lore rabbit holes. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/39 "2020-11-23T08:13:06Z")
I want to also mention the Onirvura constellation mapping shows that New Eden’s map is if anything, flattened, to be more presentable. In actual “observed space” … the constellation Onirvura as viewed from Jita is more tall, and narrower. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/40 "2020-11-23T08:15:27Z")
Understandable, always better not to introduce exotic explanations especially if others might work better in general. On that note will you try to create a real 3D star map with actual precise coordinates based on observations and whatnot to see if things could add up or don’t plan to go that deep into things for now? Would be interesting to see how New Eden actually looks like with an accurate star map if such is possible to create that is. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273.md?page=3)