# Jita Astronomical Observatory - Exploring New Eden - An EVE Online Astronomy Club **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 22, 2020, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273 "2020-11-22T23:59:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/81 "2020-11-23T23:00:41Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > You’re talking about how it doesn’t look right in the in-game map?! I just saw this too, when looking back for your links. But yes, the game map is demonstrably inaccurate to how the stars are actually positioned in the sky. The map is “useful” but not accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/82 "2020-11-23T23:01:39Z")
Are you using abstract mode? Is that even still a thing? Can we still use the old map? lol Anyhow, I gotta go. Things to think about. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/83 "2020-11-23T23:05:29Z")
This is constellation Onirvura from Jita, how it looks in the actual sky followed by how it looks in the map. Notably different. It’s recognizable but still, very different when talking about the scales of lightyears. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/3/932431e643a24e34fc668a574c6824fc17dc0565.jpeg) _Constellation Onirvura from Jita_ ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/6/76fc1e954d74e42427fc1d0be72d67cc835d31f2.jpeg) _Constellation Onirvura in Map_ ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/84 "2020-11-23T23:10:44Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/f/ef12422b6dca3fdaf6f11e97a24c723253443f85.png) > > image717×583 37.2 KB Regarding this image… Where are these coordinates though? In the map? Or in the New Eden Sky? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/85 "2020-11-23T23:14:09Z")
Are. You. Using. Abstract. Mode? ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/86 "2020-11-23T23:20:49Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/5/75d2c1ba32c7a97417ad26b90e5260223a43a83a.jpeg) Much better I think? Sorry I didn’t see what that checkbox was. Took a moment. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/87 "2020-11-23T23:22:49Z")
Ok so that solves ONE mystery, but doesn’t answer the question of actual distances…even if the distances are _known_ in terms of coordinates in the map-space. We don’t know what the units are…yet. BUT - furthermore - I still suspect there are non-mapped stars in the starfield that are associated with the Background-skybox. And I suspect that these will not change relative perspective as you move through New Eden, and I suspect they are different for each Region. Basing it off the _Kimotoro Star Square_ ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/88 "2020-11-24T00:10:39Z")
So I’ve triangulated the _Badminton Nebula_ from 3 positions now, Josameto, Kisogo and Faurent and it definitely seems to be about here on the map _AND_ seems to be consistent with very little deviation. Nothing so extreme as to break the illusion of realism. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/0/e007fd2189a39ad5fc1692350afc5072f4abe676.jpeg) Somewhere near Nakugard. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/8/d82952cfb667de7d60cdceaaf3a77a39726c1377.jpeg) _Nakugard - Seen from Suroken_ Badminton Nebula no longer visible, so need to go back and approximate Nakugard’s location where Badminton is visible. Can always assume the nebula is just hidden by dust or such, that’s not a big issue. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/89 "2020-11-24T02:23:04Z")
Amazing, viewing a 3D object from a different perspective changes its appearance… Think about what you are saying about the map looking wrong for a second here. Then realise that almost certainly the map is not wrong ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/90 "2020-11-24T08:04:07Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Then realise that almost certainly the map is not wrong Nonono. He was in _abstract_ map mode, where the map _does_ look wrong. It’s for “readability”. Not sure there’s a word for that in the world of map related terms. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/91 "2020-11-24T09:58:26Z")
Its used in world maps and atlases. But I cant remeber the term ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/92 "2020-11-24T09:59:27Z")
Thanks! Sadly I\*m out of Likes again today. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/93 "2020-11-24T10:00:40Z")
Something here maybe; [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map\_projection#:~:text=In%20cartography%2C%20a%20map%20projection,into%20locations%20on%20a%20plane.&text=There%20is%20no%20limit%20to%20the%20number%20of%20possible%20map%20projections](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection#:~:text=In%20cartography%2C%20a%20map%20projection,into%20locations%20on%20a%20plane.&text=There%20is%20no%20limit%20to%20the%20number%20of%20possible%20map%20projections). Or just Projection? … Da fuc happened to the link? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/94 "2020-11-24T10:01:21Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Projection Yes! Of course! Damn. lol ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/95 "2020-11-24T10:02:01Z")
Ah ha had it all along, thought you are after a specific type. Cool, another groovy mystery solved. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/96 "2020-11-24T10:07:08Z")
Mercator projection is the one that mapmakers have historically tended to use, it does distort stuff though. Accurately mapping 3 dimensional stuff onto a 2 dimensional plane isn’t easy. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/97 "2020-11-24T10:12:03Z")
I was gonna say Mercator Projection but afaik that only works with globes specifically ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/98 "2020-11-24T10:18:07Z")
Yep it’s for globes, up until fairly recently that’s all we needed to map. I’m not sure what they use to map space itself; the space pope would probably know. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/99 "2020-11-24T10:33:04Z")
I totally have to nitpick on this one. > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Accurately mapping 3 dimensional stuff onto a 2 dimensional plane isn’t easy. That’s inaccurate. It depends on the medium. 3D Projection is incredibly easy and straight forward. One division per coordinate. On a screen, which is 2D, it’s damn easy to project 3D onto 2D and still being able to work with it. The problem is the medium it’s being projected onto. We can’t zoom “into” a piece of paper … … and can only rotate it around a single axis while maintaining visual contact with the projected data. That was totally unnecessary and I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-astronomical-observatory-exploring-new-eden-an-eve-online-astronomy-club/281273/100 "2020-11-24T10:47:54Z")
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