# Jita Direct Trade Scams and the EvE community **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 3, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570 "2018-12-03T22:56:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Lily\_Inkura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lily_inkura/32/174143_2.png) [@Lily\_Inkura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lily_Inkura)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/61 "2018-12-04T05:14:55Z")
> [@Pix\_Severus](#): > > I’ve killed players in many games, that must mean I’m a murderer IRL, according to OP’s logic. (sigh) no … that is false equivalency. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/62 "2018-12-04T05:18:56Z")
> [@Lily\_Inkura](#): > > (sigh) no … that is false equivalency. > [@Sahaqiel](#): > > We have prisons full of people that act like eve players do > [@Sahaqiel](#): > > One of the most famous sociopaths, Dennis Raider (a.k.a BTK) was a successful dentist with a family and close friends, after he murdered and masturbated all over families in the 80’s. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. ---
**Author:** ![Sahaqiel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahaqiel/32/123315_2.png) [@Sahaqiel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahaqiel)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/63 "2018-12-04T05:19:44Z")
“I didn’t really care much for your story. You got scammed, it could have been avoided. Who cares.” This is some slight evidence that you’re a sociopath that sees nothing wrong with using broken game mechanics to steal. You’re also the guy that can’t seem to accept a sample population is not the same as “everyone”. Didn’t you call me a snowflake at one point, but you’re in here melting over the Fact that IT is mostly superficial communication that is goal oriented? Oh, right, software developers are so much different. You arent sociopaths, you just threaten and harass women that dare to get into the IT field. I mean, i could link all the news reports on that situation, but as you’re clearly tech savvy, i’m sure you can find it yourself. I’m trying to understand your position. Because I went a different career path and didn’t get into IT, it’s impossible for me to have ever had contact with, or been around to witness how they interact? Should I spell out my entire life here to validate my opinion, or should i wait 6 hours to tell you that i own and manage a small security firm that contracts facility security for multiple it oriented businesses? I get to listen to their interactions on the daily. \*before you start crying “but you said you were in corrections”. I was, for most of my adult life. Then i retired and built my company. I’m pretty sure i’ve stated most of humanity displays sociopathic tendencies. Why arent you offended for everyone? Or, is this a Freudian slip? Are you identifying yourself as a sociopath IT professional? ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/64 "2018-12-04T05:21:28Z")
> [@Sahaqiel](#): > > broken game mechanics to steal. People say that about ganking, by the way. Which means that anyone can claim that something is broken. So, its just your opinion. Okay. ---
**Author:** ![Sahaqiel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahaqiel/32/123315_2.png) [@Sahaqiel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahaqiel)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/65 "2018-12-04T05:21:38Z")
I’d invite you to read any of the multitude of published papers that discuss the link between video games and real life mental illness, including insensitivity to violence. I know you wont bother, but i still invite you to read some of them. It’s quite interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Sahaqiel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahaqiel/32/123315_2.png) [@Sahaqiel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahaqiel)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/66 "2018-12-04T05:24:24Z")
please show me evidence of “people” saying ganking is using broken game mechanics to steal. Ganking is simply pvp in highsec, yes? Whether both involved want to be or not, it’s still fair in that you can see local and you can see your overview, so you can make the choice not to remain there to be killed. The situation i found myself in deals specifically with using EVE server lag to accomplish a theft. That you Still fail to make that distinction makes it clear that you’re a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/67 "2018-12-04T05:24:35Z")
> [@Sahaqiel](#): > > I’d invite you to read any of the multitude of published papers that discuss the link between video games and real life mental illness, including insensitivity to violence. Id invite you to read any of the multitude of published papers that stress the importance that they dont know if it is actually connected to criminality or delinquency, and that it is only a single factor and that it is a lot more complex. So thanks for your comparison to prisons, but not really, no. ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/68 "2018-12-04T05:25:48Z")
I did say you should stop insulting other people based on their profession. That means in general and not only mine. I did respond first, cause you targeted the IT industry for some reason. My point was trying to get the discussion away from personal insults and name calling. But I see you have no issues with personal insults, since apparently not only am I a sociopath, but also a sexual harasser now. You seem like such a delightful person. I wonder why you have received such negative reactions from the community. ---
**Author:** ![Lily\_Inkura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lily_inkura/32/174143_2.png) [@Lily\_Inkura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lily_Inkura)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/69 "2018-12-04T05:26:17Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > > (sigh) no … that is false equivalency. > > ![](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahaqiel/40/109410_1.png) Sahaqiel: > > > We have prisons full of people that act like eve players do > > ![](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahaqiel/40/109410_1.png) Sahaqiel: > > > One of the most famous sociopaths, Dennis Raider (a.k.a BTK) was a successful dentist with a family and close friends, after he murdered and masturbated all over families in the 80’s. > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Que? Some 5% of a population would be expected to commit 50% of all crimes. The rest are opportunists … such as when they encounter a local environment that gives them the opportunity to cheat, steal or bully (for gain), then they often do. Just like EvE. The OP’s claim that prisons are full of people that act like EvE players is probably correct. However, there is no evidence of any link between doing those opportunistic things in EvE and then also doing them in RL. If you think killing people is opportunistic then you live in a much less stable / safe environment than me. You might be correct, but I do not think that killing (in game or RL) and opportunistic acts are equivalent or therefore comparable. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/70 "2018-12-04T05:28:47Z")
> [@Sahaqiel](#): > > please show me evidence of “people” saying ganking is using broken game mechanics to steal. You mean, show you evidence that people have said that Ganking is a broken game mechanic? Gladly. [https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/topic/469577/](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/topic/469577/) > [@Sahaqiel](#): > > The situation i found myself in deals specifically with using EVE server lag to accomplish a theft. So why throw out the sociopathy and mental illness accusations? If youre just posting that this is a broken mechanic, you should post in the right section of the EVE forums. There is a specific part of the forums that discusses game mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Sahaqiel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahaqiel/32/123315_2.png) [@Sahaqiel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahaqiel)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/71 "2018-12-04T05:30:26Z")
> **[Study confirms link between violent video games and physical aggression](https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2018/10/01/violent-video-games-tie-physical-aggression-confirmed-study/1486188002/)** > > A study found playing violent video games such as "Grand Theft Auto" or "Call of Duty leads to increased physical aggression over time. > **[Violent Video Games and Aggression | National Center for Health Research](http://www.center4research.org/violent-video-games-can-increase-aggression/)** > > The American Psychological Association (APA) considers violent video games a risk factor for aggression, but there are many other factors While those articles claim video games lead to the increased violent tendencies, they do not address how many video game players are already mentally ill. You kind of have to have some sort of mental illness to spend your whole life on a video game. Even I am guilty of this in the last couple years. Of course, I have ptsd from a lifetime of corrections, but i’m sure that’ll be mocked and trivialized too. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/72 "2018-12-04T05:30:41Z")
> [@Lily\_Inkura](#): > > If you think killing people is opportunistic then you live in a much less stable / safe environment than me. You might be correct, but I do not think that killing (in game or RL) and opportunistic acts are equivalent or therefore comparable. My point was that Sahaqiel has constantly made a connection to real life and that of our in-game personas. This is what i was laughing at. This entire thread is Sahaqiel claiming that us doing this in EVE means that we are also just as bad and doing it in Real life. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/73 "2018-12-04T05:32:42Z")
> [@Sahaqiel](#): > > While those articles claim video games lead to the increased violent tendencies, they do not address how many video game players are already mentally ill. > **[Violent Video Games and Aggression](https://www.center4research.org/violent-video-games-can-increase-aggression/)** > > The American Psychological Association says violent video games can increase aggression. How concerned should you be, and which kids are most at risk of harm? So are you agreeing with me and conceding that you were wrong? because the last sentence of the first paragraph of your very example states exactly what i said. ---
**Author:** ![CiXiang\_Reytzenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cixiang_reytzenstein/32/123173_2.png) [@CiXiang\_Reytzenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CiXiang_Reytzenstein)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/74 "2018-12-04T05:32:48Z")
holy ■■■■, this pissing match is still going on. That’s amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/75 "2018-12-04T05:34:25Z")
> [@CiXiang\_Reytzenstein](#): > > holy ■■■■, this pissing match is still going on. That’s amazing. im tired. ---
**Author:** ![Lily\_Inkura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lily_inkura/32/174143_2.png) [@Lily\_Inkura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lily_Inkura)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/76 "2018-12-04T05:34:32Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > This entire thread is Sahaqiel claiming that us doing this in EVE means that we are also just as bad and doing it in Real life. I understand that. I separately liked your point: > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > If youre just posting that this is a broken mechanic, you should post in the right section of the EVE forums. There is a specific part of the forums that discusses game mechanics. I don’t know enough about “The Rules”, but using server lag does sound to me like an exploit. @Sahaqiel, I think you should consider the advice given here and post elsewhere as to whether this does count as an “exploit” - something that has a specific in-game definition and is also banned. ---
**Author:** ![Sahaqiel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahaqiel/32/123315_2.png) [@Sahaqiel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahaqiel)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/77 "2018-12-04T05:35:26Z")
Show me evidence of it actually being a broken game mechanic. Did eve lock them in place so they couldnt go anywhere while the gankers came in? So tell me how that is related to using server lag to scam? Again, you’re trying to deflect the conversation. I know it’s odd for some of you, but those pesky spaces in between paragraphs indicates a separation of topic flow. The first 2/3 was about the incident, the last 1/3 was to head off you scammer defenders and to highlight exactly what i think of scammers and scammer defenders/enablers. We covered this portion already. Please stop doing drugs. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/78 "2018-12-04T05:35:32Z")
> [@Lily\_Inkura](#): > > @Sahaqiel, I think you should consider the advice given here and post elsewhere as to whether this does count as an “exploit” - something that has a specific in-game definition and is also banned. Exactly. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/79 "2018-12-04T05:38:48Z")
> [@Sahaqiel](#): > > Did eve lock them in place so they couldnt go anywhere while the gankers came in? Im sure bumpers did that. > [@Sahaqiel](#): > > Show me evidence of it actually being a broken game mechanic. Thats not what you said. You said “please show me evidence of “people” saying ganking is using broken game mechanics to steal.” If youre going to change the question, then whats your logic that direct trade scams are a broken game mechanic? Server ticks is a known part of the game, and a lot of different mechanics rely on server ticks to work. ---
**Author:** ![Sahaqiel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahaqiel/32/123315_2.png) [@Sahaqiel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahaqiel)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570/80 "2018-12-04T05:39:52Z")
You really need to continue reading that article.Of course you’d stop at the obligatory “we’re not certain”. That’s how psychology works, hell thats how all of science works. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-direct-trade-scams-and-the-eve-community/124570.md?page=5)