# Jita, Gankers and Automation **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 30, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413 "2022-10-30T14:02:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/81 "2023-01-07T00:39:05Z")
> [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](#): > > Dear lord help us all Thats exactly the response I was looking for! 🤣 > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Ganking isn’t really a predator/prey dynamic. It’s one set of carebears attacking another set of carebears using pre-designed tactics and calculations. Gankers will always try to pass themselves of as superior but that desperation for validation combined with a lack of measurable skill is why they gank in the first place. Not being technically a ganker, more of a hunter, I try to see your point from your point of view. Unfortunately, it appears that only CCP has the numbers and wont share. Neither of us can prove our points sadly as it would put a lot of myths to rest. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 5:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/82 "2023-01-07T05:32:35Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > _Some_ do. And some are. I like how E.F. Caveated that with _always_. Statements like that just show the extreme biases this person has for ganking. And an unwillingness to have any sort of meaningful discussion. It’s almost like they gave themselves away. But surely not! This couldn’t possibly be another [redacted] alt! > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Neither is it desperately hard…especially if I can do it. Don’t knock your skills. You’re better at this game then you give yourself credit for. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/83 "2023-01-07T09:52:54Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > _Some_ do. And some are. As with everything in Eve there’s a wide range of both skills and presentation of those skills to others. It certainly isn’t as ‘easy’ as some make out. Neither is it desperately hard…especially if I can do it. I haven’t yet met a ganker who hasn’t at some point claimed their superiority. And it’s as easy as mining, that’s why ganking and mining are examples of gameplay you can multibox a dozen times over. You’ve criticised PvE players a lot but there is certainly highsec PvE that is more challenging and with a greater risk than ganking. Taking on a FOB is one such example. > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Not being technically a ganker, more of a hunter, I try to see your point from your point of view. Unfortunately, it appears that only CCP has the numbers and wont share. Neither of us can prove our points sadly as it would put a lot of myths to rest. I don’t even think CCP has numbers on who is a carebear or not. What we do know is that gankers hide in highsec calling other people who play in highsec carebears while refusing to take on any significant risks by hunting tougher targets. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/84 "2023-01-07T15:01:07Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > What we do know Actually, we don’t know. All we have is speculation, rumors and wishful thinking. No solid evidence. Your assumptions add no weight to your argument. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/85 "2023-01-07T15:29:07Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I haven’t yet met a ganker who hasn’t at some point claimed their superiority. And it’s as easy as mining… Hyperbole is probably the easiest thing of all. Miners can literally save a bookmark and return to the exact same spot and carry on. Gankers are dependent on where the fleet warp dumps them…which can vary widely. My last gank, I arrived 18km from the target…and I was the one assigned to warp scramble the target, with a scrambler with a range of 7.5km. So I was 10km short ! The miner had _ample_ opportunity to get away as I desperately tried to come within range…but he failed to make any move. If the miner had been _paying attention_ instead of watching Netflix, he’d have noticed my scout ship going round the belts looking for miners 10 minutes earlier. He’d have noticed 4 Catalysts arrive at a NPC station nearby, if he’d been using d-scan. Even then he still had minutes in which to take action as the gank fleet did last minute checks. And even when the gank fleet arrived…he could have got away as most of the gank fleet arrived too far away. Our gank fleet snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. ‘Superior’ ? Nah. Better at the cat and mouse game than the miners ? Definitely. The miner has just one job…to pay attention. Many can’t even manage that. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/86 "2023-01-07T18:26:59Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > My last gank, I arrived 18km from the target… Then whoever warped you is the worst. Even warping a large fleet of gankers so far off target requires a very particular lack of skills but to warp a small group that far off is crazy. Are you sure whoever was warping you wasn’t deliberately trying to make you fail? > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > If the miner had been _paying attention_ instead of watching Netflix Yeah, I know, you think everyone should only pay attention to EVE. but this isn’t about whether or not you like how miners choose to balance risk, it’s about whether or not ganking is a hunter/prey dynamic, or one type of carebear getting easy kills on another type of carebear while both hide in highsec. Gankers are not superior in any way, they’re the same as highsec miners, looking for low risk, easy content. That’s why you do it too, right? You’ve made a point of telling people how infrequently you lose ships and how you now have a big stockpile of ships. All that tells me is that you are risk averse. You will avoid content if it has a high risk of causing you a loss. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/87 "2023-01-07T18:32:17Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > that far off is crazy It sounds like you don’t understand some basic game mechanics. Not a surprise, since you haven’t played the game in a decade. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/88 "2023-01-07T18:36:08Z")
Yeah, you can’t land fleets on target and I’m the one that doesn’t understand the mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/89 "2023-01-07T18:43:21Z")
Dunning-Kruger. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/90 "2023-01-07T20:03:56Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Then whoever warped you is the worst. Even warping a large fleet of gankers so far off target requires a very particular lack of skills but to warp a small group that far off is crazy. Are you sure whoever was warping you wasn’t deliberately trying to make you fail? Lol…you’ve obviously never warped right into the middle of a bunch of large asteroids. It’s a wonder all 3 ships did actually end up on the kill. I did well to make up the gap _and_ scramble the Retriever _and_ apply some DPS. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Gankers are not superior in any way, they’re the same as highsec miners, looking for low risk, easy content. Meh. Those ultra brave people in 100 man lowsec and nullsec fleets…where’s the pressure on them to score ? I mean, I see a good deal of your own killboard consists of large fleets and you getting what killboard records as 0 as it is so small. Not much pressure on you, eh ? Does anyone even notice if you get zero ? Are there ‘Elizabet scored nothing again’ comments in fleet chat ? I doubt it. On the other hand, in a 3 person gank fleet I _have_ to score. I _have_ to scramble that miner as the fleet is relying on it. If I mess up then it gets noticed. So the pressure is far larger. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/93 "2023-01-07T20:44:07Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > You will avoid content if it has a high risk of causing you a loss. Lol. Only a dummy deliberately makes themselves vulnerable or has fights they know they are going to lose. For example I have hauling small but expensive stuff down to a fine art. Why would I want to take the risk when I can all but eliminate it ? That’s not risk averse…its clever. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/94 "2023-01-07T22:15:25Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Lol…you’ve obviously never warped right into the middle of a bunch of large asteroids. Of course I have. Claiming you bounced off of asteroids doesn’t excuse a poor FC. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Meh. Those ultra brave people in 100 man lowsec and nullsec fleets…where’s the pressure on them to score ? Where did I say they are ultra brave or that the pressure is on? > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > getting what killboard records as 0 as it is so small I don’t even know what you’re trying to say here. What is recorded as 0? It’s hilarious how you originally used to attack people with “You have no killboard”. Now you’re going with “your killboard isn’t passing some quality metric I’ve made up”. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Only a dummy deliberately makes themselves vulnerable or has fights they know they are going to lose It’s not about having fights you know you are going to lose. You run away from fights if you _might_ lose. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > For example I have hauling small but expensive stuff down to a fine art. This is just like when you were claiming you’re amazing at using a mouse. It’s not amazing, it’s not an art. Anyone can move small expensive stuff in safety, it takes very basic knowledge of EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/95 "2023-01-07T22:28:41Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > It’s hilarious how you originally used to attack people with “You have no killboard”. Now you’re going with “your killboard isn’t passing some quality metric I’ve made up”. It’s hiliarious how you think whoring on a couple kills in nullsec means you have a real killboard. You are just a fake wannabe. ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/96 "2023-01-07T22:37:30Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > It’s hilarious how you originally used to attack people with “You have no killboard”. Now you’re going with “your killboard isn’t passing some quality metric I’ve made up”. You are the polar opposite of Gix Firebrand. He’s male you’re female. He loves ganking and you hate it… it’s like looking at the two sides of a coin. And you both never drop it ever until the thread is locked then you start over in another thread 😅 I’m sorry it’s hilarious how y’all keep lobbing crap at each other yet you keep at it, like a snowball fight 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/97 "2023-01-07T22:42:30Z")
> [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > He loves ganking and you hate it… I don’t hate ganking. I just don’t think it’s as important as some people on this forum seem to think it is. I think it should probably stay in but would not be the end of the game if CCP continued to move away from it. It’s low tier PvP. It’d be like if CCP removed highsec ratting anoms, annoying to the few people that do them but uneventful in the grand scheme of things. ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/98 "2023-01-07T22:58:33Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I don’t hate ganking. I just don’t think it’s as important as some people on this forum seem to think it is Apologies, didn’t mean to put words in your mouth. I think ganking is fine. CCP is trying to balance the game to make it fairer so of course some people will be rattled. I personally wished they fixed the game before they fixed PvP. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I think it should probably stay in but would not be the end of the game if CCP continued to move away from it I don’t know if it would be the end of the game but it would sure be a sad day. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > It’d be like if CCP removed highsec ratting anoms, annoying to the few people that do them but uneventful in the grand scheme of things I’m not saying it would be the end of the world but, unlike ratting, ganking and PvP permit players to duke it out in space and take the spoils. That’s awesome, I loves me a pirate! ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/a/1/aa1823249c199ee2a3faa8dcafc5a549b63c5004.webp "scared johnny depp GIF - Find & Share on GIPHY") I don’t know many games that give what EVE gives. I tried Elite a few months ago but I didn’t like it. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2023, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/99 "2023-01-07T23:26:08Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Of course I have. Claiming you bounced off of asteroids doesn’t excuse a poor FC. I was there. You weren’t. It is just tiresome the way you pull some invented straw man narrative out of a hat because you can never, ever, be wrong about anything so have to make stuff up. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > It’s not about having fights you know you are going to lose. You run away from fights if you _might_ lose. What a load of invented trolling nonsense. You have no idea what I do. Again you just invent some straw man narrative like trolls usually do. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/100 "2023-01-08T00:21:02Z")
> [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > I loves me a pirate! It’s just now a shame that you wrecked your profile picture. Please return it back to how it was…thanks. 🤢 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/101 "2023-01-08T00:25:19Z")
“There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter.” [Ernest Hemingway](https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/ernest-hemingway-quotes) CCP betrayed its own credo. I could go on but it’s outta my hands. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/102 "2023-01-08T00:31:20Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > It’s just now a shame that you wrecked your profile picture But but I just went to the hair salon 😩 > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Please return it back to how it was…thanks​🤢 Fine I’ll change it back. Just don’t throw up please. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413.md?page=6)