# Jita, Gankers and Automation **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 30, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413 "2022-10-30T14:02:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/103 "2023-01-08T00:41:39Z")
> [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > Just don’t throw up please. It’s just a game and we all need to keep a sense of humor. I’m 63 with _very_ little grey. (no kids) I just show myself as I want to be perceived. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/104 "2023-01-08T00:49:47Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > It’s just a game and we all need to keep a sense of humor Indeed. I think humor is going to help a lot of people moving forward and not just in EVE. > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > I’m 63 with _very_ little grey. (no kids) I just show myself as I want to be perceived That read like a line on a dating profile 😆 But seriously now, very little gray at 63 is a feat in itself. I watched a few videos of Reagan and wonder how he kept his hair so black. Was it Grecian Formula? My dad swear by it. He’s 60 today and I have to admit it works. I didn’t think anyone would pay attention to my hair though 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/105 "2023-01-08T00:51:41Z")
> [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > ganking and PvP permit players to duke it out in space Ganking is PvP, it’s a small, niche part of PvP. But if CCP do choose to move away from ganking that has no effect on the rest of PvP (other than potentially meaning more people will be involved in it). > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I was there. You weren’t. Sure, and you’re saying there was a justifiable reason for an FC missing a warp in. I’m saying that whatever reason you make up won’t erase the fact that it was a failure of the FC to correctly land the fleet on target. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > What a load of invented trolling nonsense. And there we go again. I don’t agree with you so you call it nonsense. Doesn’t matter that you just sat there picking through my killboard and trying to find ways to insult me over it, somehow you still think I’m the troll. ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/106 "2023-01-08T01:05:33Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Ganking is PvP, it’s a small, niche part of PvP. But if CCP do choose to move away from ganking that has no effect on the rest of PvP (other than potentially meaning more people will be involved in it) Somehow I differenciate the two while I know that ganking falls under PvP. Perhaps because the play is different. A bit like the difference between a war where the lines are obvious and an insurgency where you don’t know who and where the enemy may pop up and let you have it. If CCP eliminates ganking they’ll have to have CONCORD like in Low or eliminated completely like in Null to facilitate fleet fights and wardecs in Hisec. I don’t think Hisec should be 100% safe, nowhere in our entire galaxy are we 100% safe and New Eden shouldn’t be any different. If ( and that’s a big if ) players are so bothered by PvP the best to do would be to have another server for PvE only. Although I don’t like the idea but it’s one suggestion I read. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/107 "2023-01-08T01:05:49Z")
Don’t you dare change it back… you need to stay strong and not so easily ganked. ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/108 "2023-01-08T01:14:23Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Don’t you dare change it back… you need to stay strong and not so easily ganked You mean you didn’t mean it? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/5/e/65e9457cdcc9600668de23daad054c3d41e084aa.webp "Despicable Me Laughing GIF - Find & Share on GIPHY") Ganked?? On the forum? Do I feel stupid now? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/a/e/1aed4cc7fc2cab5cfd8493e2a7d28ea457dfb5f7.webp "Lana Del Rey Yes GIF - Find & Share on GIPHY") ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/109 "2023-01-08T01:15:42Z")
> [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > If CCP eliminates ganking they’ll have to have CONCORD like in Low or eliminated completely like in Null to facilitate fleet fights and wardecs in Hisec. Why? CCP wouldn’t _have_ to do anything, and ganking plays no role in wardecs or fleet fights. > [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > I don’t think Hisec should be 100% safe, nowhere in our entire galaxy are we 100% safe and New Eden shouldn’t be any different. I don’t think it should or it shouldn’t. I just don’t care. I don’t think it would matter if ganking continue to exist or not. The “it’d be 100% safe!” line is ganker propaganda. It’s not true that removing ganking would make it 100% safe and there no evidence that anything bad would happen even if it were. Just constant speculation that the game would collapse if a couple of dozen people couldn’t carry on getting easy kills in highsec. > [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > If ( and that’s a big if ) players are so bothered by PvP the best to do would be to have another server for PvE only. Although I don’t like the idea but it’s one suggestion I read. It would just split the already struggling playerbase. Again though, stop saying “so bothered by PvP” when what you mean is “don’t like ganking in particular”. I fly with plenty of people who do nothing but PvP but who think ganking is dumb and pointless and adds nothing of value to the game. I personally don’t see a problem with pointless mechanics but I understand why CCP seem to be taking a harder stance given their position on it affecting new players. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/110 "2023-01-08T01:21:03Z")
> [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > I didn’t think anyone would pay attention to my hair though Boy, you missed the forums when I was 1st stupid enough to post. Yr’s later, my wish came true! 🙄 🤣 The spelling/grammar police… Good times! The only revalent info I have found so far was this. [Producer’s Letter - From Uprising to New Conquests | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/producers-letter-from-uprising-to-new-conquests?origin=launcher&utm_medium=app&utm_source=launcher&utm_content=en) “Particularly notable has been the sharp 75% increase in PvP kills in lowsec as well as the 11% PvP kill increase in highsec despite the additional restrictions on ganking and changes to Abyssal Deadspace following the release.” ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/111 "2023-01-08T01:25:57Z")
I play way too much and might even accept my punishment for my crime above. 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/112 "2023-01-08T01:31:23Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Why? CCP wouldn’t _have_ to do anything I guess they wouldn’t _have to_ no but what purpose would CONCORD fulfill if there were no ganking in hisec? > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > and ganking plays no role in wardecs or fleet fights No, I was talking about elimating CONCORD in relation to the lack of ganking/PvP that we’re discussing. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I don’t think it should or it shouldn’t. I just don’t care I’m sorry but that’s an awful lot of posts for someone who doesn’t care. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I don’t think it would matter if ganking continue to exist or not It would matter to the players whose ganking is a playstyle. It would matter for the identity of the game. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > The “it’d be 100% safe!” line is ganker propaganda. It’s not true that removing ganking would make it 100% safe and there no evidence that anything bad would happen even if it were I agree. I just went to one extreme of the argument to demonstrate that 100% safe doesn’t exist. Not saying you said that. I guess I’m rambling😆 > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Just constant speculation that the game would collapse if a couple of dozen people couldn’t carry on getting easy kills in highsec Speculation is right. It’s made on all sides of this argument. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > It would just split the already struggling playerbase How? According to you it’s only a dozen players taking advantage of ganking in highsec. But I don’t like the idea of two servers so… > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Again though, stop saying “so bothered by PvP” when what you mean is “don’t like ganking in particular” I’m sorry if I don’t write what you think but “don’t like” means “it’s bothersome” hence someone who doesn’t like something is bothered by it because if he wasn’t bothered by it there would be no reason to not like it. ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/113 "2023-01-08T01:38:04Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > I play way too much and might even accept my punishment for my crime above 🙃 Punishment? Crime? 😅 You’ll have to do much better than that for me to start thinking in those terms​😇 ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/114 "2023-01-08T09:42:49Z")
> [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > I’m sorry but that’s an awful lot of posts for someone who doesn’t care. I enjoy the discussions. It just happens that ganking is pretty much the only thing ever discussed on the forum. > [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > It would matter to the players whose ganking is a playstyle. It would matter for the identity of the game. In your opinion. Ganking plays no role in the identity of the game to myself or many other people. > [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > Speculation is right. It’s made on all sides of this argument. Yeah, I agree. > [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > How? According to you it’s only a dozen players taking advantage of ganking in highsec. But I don’t like the idea of two servers so… Running two servers will inevitably split the playerbase. Particularly if the second server was fresh and not a clone of tranquility as there are many people, particularly new players, that would like the fresh start without old money. > [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > I’m sorry if I don’t write what you think but “don’t like” means “it’s bothersome” hence someone who doesn’t like something is bothered by it because if he wasn’t bothered by it there would be no reason to not like it. It’s not about the words “don’t like” or “bothered”, it’s the implication you’re making that anyone who doesn’t think ganking is great hates _all of PvP_. This is another ploy used by gankers, to claim that anyone who doesn’t like their playstyle opposes the existence of all PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/115 "2023-01-08T09:57:56Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I don’t think it should or it shouldn’t. I just don’t care > [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > I’m sorry but that’s an awful lot of posts for someone who doesn’t care. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/116 "2023-01-08T09:59:01Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > It’s not about the words “don’t like” or “bothered”, it’s the implication you’re making that anyone who doesn’t think ganking is great hates _all of PvP_ I certainly don’t think that or I would’ve said it plainly. I don’t hide behind words and I’m not afraid of them. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > This is another ploy used by gankers, to claim that anyone who doesn’t like their playstyle opposes the existence of all PvP It could be a ploy others use, I don’t know, but I don’t need ploys to make my point. Not only that but you’re the one who corrected me about ganking still being PvP while I felt to separate and deal with the two separately in my mind so clearly I’m not trying to say that whoever doesn’t like ganking they don’t like PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/117 "2023-01-08T10:05:07Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > It’s not about the words “don’t like” or “bothered”, it’s the implication you’re making that anyone who doesn’t think ganking is great hates _all of PvP_ Have you met Lucas Kell? He enjoyed these semantic rants. You guys have a lot of similar ideas, you would get along I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/118 "2023-01-08T10:06:49Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Have you met Lucas Kell? 🤣 roflmao ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/119 "2023-01-08T11:07:03Z")
> [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > I certainly don’t think that or I would’ve said it plainly. I don’t hide behind words and I’m not afraid of them. Then I’m sorry for the misunderstanding. but when you said: > [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > If ( and that’s a big if ) players are so bothered by PvP the best to do would be to have another server for PvE only. That came across as if you think that people who don’t like ganking are “bothered by PvP”. I’m getting bored of the gankers making false claims about me to troll me and have them ignored so if you can go ahead and not quote their trolling that would be great. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/120 "2023-01-08T11:12:34Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I’m getting bored Well, stop making new alts to come back and continue the argument. Everyone blocked you for a reason, just stop posting and you won’t be so bored. ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/121 "2023-01-08T11:24:35Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > That came across as if you think that people who don’t like ganking are “bothered by PvP”. I can see how it can be interpreted that way. What I meant was “If players are so bothered by the idea of engaging wirh other pilots in any way…” as a general thing. That’s the idea of a PvE-only server. One can argue that players can still cooperate in a PvE environment but it then takes the ‘v’ out of PvP. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I’m getting bored of the gankers making false claims about me to troll me and have them ignored so if you can go ahead and not quote their trolling that would be great I understand that getting ganged upon on the forum isn’t fun but you kind of have to expect that kind of pushback from gamers who only swear by PvP in the forum of a game where PvP is quasi omnipresent. You post against their favorite type of play, I don’t think you can expect to be welcomed. But if it can help I apologize to you. I’m not a mean-spirited person. At the same time, it’s not all that serious in that we’re discussing a game, not the elections of a president. Not taking things personal with a bit of humor is recommended on any forums. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/122 "2023-01-08T11:45:39Z")
> [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > I understand that getting ganged upon on the forum isn’t fun Some Pilots goto great lengths in making enemies. Frostpacker doesn’t even try to make enemies. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413.md?page=7)