# Jita, Gankers and Automation **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 30, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413 "2022-10-30T14:02:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/123 "2023-01-08T14:14:39Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Frostpacker doesn’t even try to make enemies Who would be your enemy?? You seem too nice to have enemies. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/124 "2023-01-08T14:21:50Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > somehow you still think I’m the troll. It is plain and open for anyone to see that _no matter what_ anyone responds to you, its the same old Cathy Newman style ’ so you’re saying that… ’ from you in which you pretend to respond to a person but actually are responding to some conflated straw man that you invented. It even gets to the **ludicrous** extent that I was at an event and you weren’t yet you seek to tell me what happened ! Yes, troll fits the bill perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/125 "2023-01-08T14:36:45Z")
> [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > What I meant was “If players are so bothered by the idea of engaging wirh other pilots in any way…” as a general thing. That’s the idea of a PvE-only server. I don’t think there are many pilots that fall into this category. What people mainly seem to be against is non-consensual PvP, and more specifically non-consensual PvP in highsec. PvP outside of highsec, wars and non-combat PvP (incursion contests, limited resource competition, etc) seem to fine to most of the anti ganker crowd. > [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > I understand that getting ganged upon on the forum isn’t fun but you kind of have to expect that kind of pushback from gamers who only swear by PvP in the forum of a game where PvP is quasi omnipresent. You post against their favorite type of play, I don’t think you can expect to be welcomed. I expect trolling, sure, but I’d still rather not have my ignore list bypassed by other people quoting troll posts. > [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > At the same time, it’s not all that serious in that we’re discussing a game, not the elections of a president. Not taking things personal with a bit of humor is recommended on any forums. Yeah I agree. It’s hard to not take it personally when people direct personal attacks at me though. Such as @Altara_Zemara constantly calling me a troll because I don’t switch sides and agree with her when she states her opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/126 "2023-01-08T14:55:55Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > You guys have a lot of similar ideas, you would get along I’m sure. Yes, _very similar._ They even have the same penchant for abusing the flagging system to silence anyone or anything they don’t like. You might say that these two _share the same mind_ ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/127 "2023-01-08T15:01:15Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Yeah I agree. It’s hard to not take it personally when people direct personal attacks at me though. Such as @Altara_Zemara constantly calling me a troll because I don’t switch sides and agree with her when she states her opinion. **Normal** discussion…try it some time…consists of person A making a point and person B responding. And after a few back and forths, the discussion ends. It does **not** consist of person B endlessly going on and on and on and on ad infinitum desperately twisting every minute little detail into some ad hominem filled straw man and then posing themselves as the ‘victim’ ! ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/128 "2023-01-08T15:06:35Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > posing themselves as the ‘victim’ ! He can’t be the victim! He was in a 300+ ship blob fleet that ganked a retriever and applied a massive 0 damage to it! He’s the aggressor! ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/129 "2023-01-08T15:07:55Z")
Except in our case we both make our points, then you declare my points “nonsense”, start criticizing my killboard then call me a troll. I need to learn to stop responding when you get to that point and just report your posts. I always chomp down on that bait. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/130 "2023-01-08T15:11:59Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > and just report your posts. Why? You’re already doing that. We all know who you really are. You wouldn’t be treated as a troll if you didn’t act like one. You don’t provide honest discussion. You don’t consider anything anyone says. 7 years of the same nonsense and you wonder why no one listens to you. So instead you resort to abusing the flagging system and screaming that everyone is out to get you. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/131 "2023-01-08T15:21:38Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > then you declare my points “nonsense”, start criticizing my killboard Er…anyone is free to look through the posts here and _plainly_ see that ( as always ) the personal attacks started with you. I had been generically discussing the topic, then gave a recent example, and straight away you leap in with the personal comments like " All that tells me is that you are risk averse. You will avoid content if it has a high risk of causing you a loss. " You then spend the rest of the thread doubling down on your ad hominem. And then you, in your utmost hypocrisy, have the sheer gall to make out that _you_ are the one being personally attacked. You do this behaviour again and again and I am sick of it to the point where it is about time the ISDs noticed. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/132 "2023-01-08T15:27:59Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > the personal attacks started with you. I had been generically discussing the topic, then gave a recent example, and straight away you leap in with the personal comments like " All that tells me is that you are risk averse. You will avoid content if it has a high risk of causing you a loss. " I like this one: > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I expect trolling from people who struggle with critical thinking These little barbs he slips in, just goes to show how much of a troll they really are. And worst, they get all upset when the barbs fly back. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Traindriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_traindriver/32/373313_2.png) [@ISD\_Traindriver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Traindriver)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/133 "2023-01-08T15:32:51Z")
🤨 This is a friendly reminder to stay friendly and on Topic in here … ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/134 "2023-01-08T18:12:33Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > What people mainly seem to be against is non-consensual PvP, and more specifically non-consensual PvP in highsec I don’t see the problem with it, anywhere. That’s what the game is about: **You Will Blow Up**. It’s not a question of ‘if’ but _when_. Be on your guard, don’t fly any ship you can’t replace, know your surroundings and who is within D-Scan range… then sometimes you have to accept It’s your turn 😩 😆 > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I expect trolling, sure, but I’d still rather not have my ignore list bypassed by other people quoting troll posts Am I supposed to know who you have on ignore? 🤔 And, one man’s troll post in another’s man gold mine. > [@ISD\_Traindriver](#): > > This is a friendly reminder to stay friendly and on Topic in here … Just saw that scrolling up. So… Jita gankers and automation. I don’t like the sound of that. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/135 "2023-01-08T18:27:48Z")
> [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > Jita gankers and automation. I just hope CCP is looking into it and banning those that are using automation. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/136 "2023-01-08T18:31:42Z")
> [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > I don’t see the problem with it, anywhere. That’s what the game is about: **You Will Blow Up**. Yeah, neither do I thought I’m not as adamant that it must be that way. I’m fine with CCP making changes to the dynamic if they feel they are needed. Some people have a different view and that’s fine too. When you present anyone who doesn’t like ganking as “anti-PvP” though, that’s not being honest. ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/137 "2023-01-08T19:04:25Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > When you present anyone who doesn’t like ganking as “anti-PvP” though, that’s not being honest The problem, at least in my opinion, is that “ganking” doesn’t really exist. It’s a made-up word to describe actions that, within PvP parameters, are perfectly allowed by game mechanics, lore and the game developers. In other words, ganking is PvP and EVE is a PvP game. What that PvP may look like or where it is exercised has no bearing on it. So it’s not about honesty here it’s about definitions of words. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/138 "2023-01-08T19:27:21Z")
> [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > The problem, at least in my opinion, is that “ganking” doesn’t really exist By the same logic, then hot dropping and gate camping don’t exist. Of course they exist and of course they are all pvp, just labels for specific, common types of pvp. Suicide ganking, usually contracted to just ganking, very much does exist and is just one specific form of pvp restricted to illegal aggression in highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/139 "2023-01-08T19:40:04Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I need to learn to stop responding That’s what we are all hoping for. You can do it! ---
**Author:** ![Mhera\_Bathana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mhera_bathana/32/379497_2.png) [@Mhera\_Bathana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mhera_Bathana)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/140 "2023-01-08T19:57:19Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I need to learn to stop responding > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > You can do it! ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/e/1/7e125e16a98c21aae12742cdd902d3d3b94e6521.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/141 "2023-01-08T21:27:41Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > When you present anyone who doesn’t like ganking as “anti-PvP” though, that’s not being honest. Many gankers do portray any one who makes a stand against ganking as anti-pvp and also remember many that write on this thread are in fact gankers and criminal types, so they like to throw that label around a lot. However you think about what ganking is, it is in fact a tool to be used as an individual sees fit, we use it to kill hard to reach players administrator our Justice, whereas Safety and code take part to bully and misbehave, all allowable in the game. Just because I don’t want to kill a fat bloated hauler out of existence, doesn’t make me anti-pvp just the same as many other AG players. Also remember honesty is not a natural trait for the likes of the Demon Princess. ( although getting to know more and more gankers I find I have been wrong on many occasions, which is nice to find out and reminds you it’s a game and we play a role) ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/142 "2023-01-08T21:31:07Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Of course they exist and of course they are all pvp, just **labels** for specific, common types of pvp And regardless of one’s feelings one way or another while or after a gank, it must come down to: it’s PvP. It says it right there on the box. It would be like someone signed up for the army and then when the shooting starts he says “I didn’t sign up for this”. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Suicide ganking, usually contracted to just ganking, very much does exist and is just one specific form of pvp restricted to illegal aggression in highsec Since I figure I’ll lose ships learning might as well go kamikaze. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413.md?page=8)