# Jita, Gankers and Automation **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 30, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413 "2022-10-30T14:02:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/144 "2023-01-08T22:50:01Z")
> [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > The problem, at least in my opinion, is that “ganking” doesn’t really exist. It’s a made-up word to describe actions that, within PvP parameters, are perfectly allowed by game mechanics, lore and the game developers. The only real difference between a 0.4 system and a 0.5 system is that Concord show up in the latter. And yet somehow this mysterious word ‘ganking’ has been invented to describe what is basically just highsec PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/145 "2023-01-08T23:04:46Z")
Oh I am like a koala bear cause if they felt cornered or threatened they _could_ become aggressive 🐻 🐍 🦹 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/146 "2023-01-09T08:52:46Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > felt cornered or threatened [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/7/a/17a95cb42ff4debb63b90d06d529287a016da532.jpeg "Star Wars Episode III - Revenge of the Sith - Duel in Palpatine's office - 4K ULTRA HD.") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5LImcBzBAI) ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/147 "2023-01-09T09:25:00Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > The only real difference between a 0.4 system and a 0.5 system is that Concord show up in the latter. And yet somehow this mysterious word ‘ganking’ has been invented to describe what is basically just highsec PvP. Weird. I don’t remember being able to light cynos in 0.5 systems. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/148 "2023-01-09T09:54:51Z")
This is what really happened that when cornered… [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/2/d/32d17af8c9a821ade4a4d58c6a0d8554b3add75f.jpeg "Vexor Madness vs FrostPacker") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BWNzTZmWL8) o7 ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/149 "2023-01-09T09:58:18Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Weird. I don’t remember being able to light cynos in 0.5 systems. So what you’re saying is if gankers somehow lit a cyno in high sec space, that would make “ganking” a form of highsec PVP more amenable to being kept, in your eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/150 "2023-01-09T10:16:14Z")
Is that your channel? 👀 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/151 "2023-01-09T10:22:05Z")
No, I knew an ex Horde Pilot Duru666 ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/152 "2023-01-09T10:36:39Z")
No, I’m just saying that concord isn’t the only difference between 0.4 space and 0.5 space, so claiming it’s the only difference than using it to broadly dismiss anyone with a different opinion on ganking is not a reasonable position to hold. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/153 "2023-01-09T11:02:10Z")
We aren’t dismissing “anyone” with a different opinion. Just you. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/154 "2023-01-09T13:07:44Z")
No, you’re just being your usual pedantic…pretending that hair splitting invalidates the general point. ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/155 "2023-01-09T13:16:19Z")
thanks for telling me your channel ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/156 "2023-01-09T13:17:55Z")
That Capsuleer held more skill than I could ever dream of acquiring. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/157 "2023-01-09T13:25:28Z")
So if I understand right: Another difference is that 0.4 is 0.1 less than 0.5, quite literally. That 0.1 is less than 1. Therefore, there’s literally less than one difference between 0.4 and 0.5, and therefore, pro-ganker opinion is invalid. I am not really convinced by this pedantry, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/158 "2023-01-09T14:13:24Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > pretending that hair splitting invalidates the general point. There’s no hair splitting. What you said was incorrect. The point you made was invalid as Scipio Artelius has already pointed out. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > So if I understand right: Clearly you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/159 "2023-01-09T19:10:36Z")
I stand 100% by my original comment. You have said absolutely nothing that invalidates the general theme of it, and the value I place on your opinion is less than zero. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/160 "2023-01-09T19:28:30Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Clearly you don’t. I could say the same of you. Cynos being in lowsec has 0 effect on high sec PVP called “suicide ganking”. It’s hilarious that you believe if cynos were allowed in high sec, suddenly it would change suicide ganking, as if cynos somehow have or _would have_ a bearing on high sec ganking mechanics. No one would spend the ISK for BLOPS being dropped just for them to get CONCORD’d. Just as relevant as the 0.1 numerical difference. Edit: You can have it one of these two ways: A) Your high sec cyno line _was about mechanic differences that apply to ganking_ which is what Altara was talking about when she said “the only difference”, in which case you believe the above: that somehow high sec cynos would revolutionize suicide ganking gameplay. This would be engaging with Altara whole point ina constructive and honest manner. B) Your stated way of ignoring Altara’s “suicide ganking” aspect and just focusing on “one difference between high sec and low sec”. OK, but then you have to _in honest intellectual debate_ grant me the same: the difference between a 0.5 and a 0.4 system is 0.1. That is a difference (in terms of game mechanics) and a difference (in terms of mathematics). I claim that 0.1 is less than 1, so my argument is that both you and Altara are wrong, there’s always _less than 1.0_ difference between high sec and low sec systems, the reader can derive that proof themselves, because mine is _categorically two_ kinds of differences at the same time (the game mechanic and math ones) which is greater than the single category of difference you discuss. And two is more than one, so my pedantic understanding is the correct one. And so you would have to admit I’m correct here. But you didn’t, because you’re not being intellectually rigorous with your pedantry. You’re wanting to weasel and thread between A and B without being intellectually honest in either. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/161 "2023-01-09T20:38:57Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > You’re wanting to weasel and thread between A and B without being intellectually honest in either. He has a long history of gaslighting with contradictory statements. This is why he hides his posting history and uses alts to pretend it’s not happening. He isn’t here to discuss. He is here to argue endlessly. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/162 "2023-01-09T21:50:22Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > You can have it one of these two ways: I don’t have to have it any of the ways you demand. She said that the only difference between 0.4 and 0.5 was concord, I simply pointed out that was not true. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/163 "2023-01-09T21:54:37Z")
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