# Jita, Gankers and Automation **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 30, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413 "2022-10-30T14:02:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/164 "2023-01-09T22:12:42Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > You’re wanting to weasel and thread between A and B without being intellectually honest in either. It’s basically trying to force people to write War & Peace length posts with every little detail that can then be picked apart…whereas most normal people perfectly understand the shortened version anyway. Intellectual dishonesty is when a person pretends they don’t grasp the _general_ point being made, and they just have to bicker over every last bit of fine detail for the sake of it. This is especially the case with dishonest people who can never be wrong about anything…who use the tiniest bit of fine detail to make out that that the whole argument is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Milk\_Chocolate\_Vodka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milk_chocolate_vodka/32/349048_2.png) [@Milk\_Chocolate\_Vodka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Milk_Chocolate_Vodka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/166 "2023-01-09T22:42:14Z")
You guys talking about trolling? Did you see my personal mail made it online. Crazy. Eve is a crazy place… Just look under “I’m the best”…surprise there huh! 😃 [https://www.james315.space/](https://www.james315.space/) \<------troll (the Aiko Show, great content, SEE it) to stay on topic: ganking bad i guess… ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/167 "2023-01-09T22:43:39Z")
What was your “general point”? You said that the only difference between 0.4 and 0.5 was concord, and that’s false. What other point were you trying to make? Were you trying to claim that ganking does not exist as a distinct variant of PvP? Because if so that’s more outlandish than the claim you actually made. You can’t make vague points using false statements and then claim everyone’s being dishonest when they don’t agree with you and point out that you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/168 "2023-01-09T22:44:34Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > ere you trying to claim that ganking does not exist as a distinct variant of PvP? There is no meaningful difference between warping to a barge in Highsec, versus doing the same thing in nullsec. The primary difference occurs afterward, as CONCORD ensures that the ganker must destroy the target within a matter of seconds, making Highsec ganking a more difficult and skill intensive activity. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/169 "2023-01-09T22:55:14Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > You said that the only difference between 0.4 and 0.5 was concord, and that’s false. She said the only difference _for suicide ganking_ between 0.4 and 0.5 was Concord. If you continue to ignore that then you’re wrong, as above I proved there’s less than 1 difference. I’m not a licensed dentist but you need to see one. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/170 "2023-01-09T22:58:37Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > She said the only difference _for suicide ganking_ between 0.4 and 0.5 was Concord. Why would you lie? > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > The only real difference between a 0.4 system and a 0.5 system is that Concord show up in the latter. You seem very desperate to get in an argument with me, but I have no interest. No means no, OK? Go obsess over some other poster. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/171 "2023-01-09T23:01:48Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > You seem very desperate to get in an argument with me, but I have no interest. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/172 "2023-01-09T23:06:33Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Why would you lie? Why would _you_ lie about the very conversation you spawned? Full context: > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > > [@Clone\_Nr007](#): > > > > > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > > > > > When you present anyone who doesn’t like ganking as “anti-PvP” though, that’s not being honest > > > > The problem, at least in my opinion, is that “ganking” doesn’t really exist. It’s a made-up word to describe actions that, within PvP parameters, are perfectly allowed by game mechanics, lore and the game developers. In other words, ganking is PvP and EVE is a PvP game. What that PvP may look like or where it is exercised has no bearing on it. > > So it’s not about honesty here it’s about definitions of words. > > The only real difference between a 0.4 system and a 0.5 system is that Concord show up in the latter. And yet somehow this mysterious word ‘ganking’ has been invented to describe what is basically just highsec PvP. The whole discussion was about suicide ganking in high sec, starting with you. You seem obsessed to try to claw your way out of this corner instead of simply saying „I misunderstood the conversation everyone else was having“ so we can all forgive, and hopefully move on to productive discourse. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/173 "2023-01-09T23:08:35Z")
Elizabeth isn’t misunderstanding anything. This is a case of deliberately misconstruing. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/174 "2023-01-09T23:10:06Z")
I’m completely aware. This sort of backing-themselves-into-a-corner thing reminds me of one other poster here who has done this rodeo with me many times before. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/175 "2023-01-09T23:10:53Z")
I liked JJ, where did he go? He just wanted to have a discussion! ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/176 "2023-01-09T23:11:19Z")
Maybe he logged onto his main and undocked. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/177 "2023-01-09T23:11:29Z")
I don’t need to claw my way out. She’s wrong and by extension so are you. She’s trying to present the argument that ganking doesn’t exist as a form of PvP and that it’s all “just highsec PvP” which is both wrong and a pointless semantic argument. Scipio summed it up nicely when Clone Nr007 tried to make the same argument. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/178 "2023-01-09T23:11:41Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Maybe he undocked. I doubt that! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/179 "2023-01-09T23:12:09Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > pointless Please do not make personal attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/180 "2023-01-09T23:12:10Z")
I dare to dream. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/181 "2023-01-09T23:16:18Z")
When you’re this obtuse you’re at risk of becoming one-dimensional. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/182 "2023-01-09T23:32:07Z")
You should reach out to JJ, he shares a lot of your interests. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/d/1/3d19efe281937fd95d890e09618ce353c8c5da21.png) ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/183 "2023-01-09T23:33:19Z")
Doesn’t seem like he does to me. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413/184 "2023-01-09T23:33:41Z")
Interesting! ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/b/8/2b808a7991efb6eb2f4cf17a9a22cf63c2dad918.png) I guess that’s why you need to hide your profile? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/jita-gankers-and-automation/382413.md?page=10)