# Job Cancellations are too punishing **URL:** \ **Category:** Science & Industry\ **Created:** [October 13, 2024, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479 "2024-10-13T20:51:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/1 "2024-10-13T20:51:12Z")
Has anyone here ever run several similar jobs across a vast number of accounts. You tend to autopilot it in your brain. Then one day you start and accidently cancel a job rather than the next. I think this is a very poor UX, and I also think that it does not make sense either in terms of gameplay and reality of a production facility. There should be some kind of asset recovery from a terminated job and most definitely if cancelled within a hair of a second of creation. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/2 "2024-10-13T21:20:52Z")
> [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](#): > > You tend to autopilot it in your brain. Autopilot baaaaad. ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/3 "2024-10-13T21:28:15Z")
I guess autopilot is the wrong word to use in this game because of what else it implies. Automaticity is perhaps better, it’s something that UX designers need to be aware of. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/4 "2024-10-13T21:36:15Z")
I understand the frustration. It’s clearly a choice they made a long time ago, not bad UX. Pressing the button is a commitment, that’s how they designed it. Can’t even think of a single action that is not a commitment of sorts in the game. ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/5 "2024-10-13T21:50:09Z")
Building a house is a commitment as well, but when it falls through you still have the shell of what was accomplished as well as any supplies left to sell on, and we are living in the space future here! No. This is a decision based on simplicity and support not commitment, commitment is the spin on the decision. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/6 "2024-10-13T22:00:19Z")
Building a house in real life is good deal different. There are plenty of games where the simple act of manufacturing something is also chance based - with complete loss of materials, and often involving weeks of preparation and grinding if the job fails to produce anything. Next time, don’t go into automated mode ? Any mistake in EvE has a price, whatever the action. If you feel it’s unfair, file a support ticket. Maybe a kind GM will revert the mistake (but I wouldn’t hold my breath). ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/7 "2024-10-13T22:12:52Z")
I really do not want to pry into comparisons because I feel it would be next to impossible to have an actual 1:1 with the eve experience. I am purely writing to garner support to add this to the list of look ins whenever they finally decide to modernise some of the poor UX’s (im looking at you as well PI) ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/8 "2024-10-13T22:14:42Z")
Handholding has never been an option ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/10 "2024-10-13T22:17:27Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Handholding has never been an option Unless you’re a ganker. > **[Eve Who - Princess Aiko Hold My Hand](https://evewho.com/corporation/98672365)** > > Eve Who - Princess Aiko Hold My Hand 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/15 "2024-10-13T22:24:38Z")
You have the right to make mistakes in EvE. You can try to complain about the possibility to make mistakes. The result is predictable. ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/16 "2024-10-13T22:28:22Z")
mistakes in eve online should be between players, not the UI shallowing stuff. Heres an example of eve’s support on the matter: [Reddit - Dive into anything](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1ftwmoc/markets_mistake/) ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/17 "2024-10-13T22:28:40Z")
It should be treated the same as if you’re hacking cans and you aren’t paying attention and get killed. _■■■■ happens_ ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/18 "2024-10-13T22:29:10Z")
please refer to my post just above and explain the difference ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/19 "2024-10-13T22:29:25Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > If you feel it’s unfair, file a support ticket. Try it. ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/22 "2024-10-13T22:37:30Z")
I wont be hinting to the value of the job, but it has caused a painful inconvenience in the production pipeline. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 4:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/28 "2024-10-14T04:55:08Z")
Photon in the industry window is extremely bad. In the old UI, the button turned red when you tried to cancel a job, clearly telling you that you are about to do a bad thing. In Photon, the button stays the same and makes it very hard to comprehend effortlessly what you are about to do. That’s only one of a plethora of things in the Industry window alone that got much worse with Photon. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/40 "2024-10-14T13:03:32Z")
> [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](#): > > it acknowledges that what I wished to discuss is not possible from a current code state, and instead offered an improvement on the UX to help further prevent input mistakes. At least those UI/X improvements are very possible. Look at the Jump Clones tab in the Character window. You have separate buttons for Jump, Rename and Destroy, and the Destroy button is red by default. It is absolutely possible to improve the UI when it comes to the code. It’s just that CCP has no motivation to do it. ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/41 "2024-10-14T13:05:50Z")
that is actually an excellent comparison! ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/43 "2024-10-14T14:03:03Z")
> [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](#): > > But it is not two decades of fine, as another poster said, since the photon UI’s introduction the industry UX has suffered. It seems that you just want to invalidate other people’s experiences with your own experience. You can’t keep hopping from one foot to the other. Foot #1: Your OP (Original Post) and its title **are about losing assets when you cancel a job** (which may be a bad UX (User eXperience). just like losing a ship). Foot #2: The UI (User Interface) buttons for starting and stopping are the same, arguably not a good thing if one is not paying enough attention. While there is a vague connection between losing assets because you inadvertently canceled a job by less than ideal properties and positioning of UI elements, latching on to changes of Photon is a shift from your starting position that doesn’t do anything for losing assets. So what is it then ? 1. Do you want some degree of asset recovery from (inadvertently) canceled jobs ? 2. Do you want changes to the indy part of the Photon UI to prevent you from inadvertently canceling jobs ? 3. Both ? 4. Do you want asset recovery for any canceled indy job ? I see fairness in 2., and like many players I’m not a fan of Photon. A UI should be geared to its task, and Photon is hardly an improvement over the old UI. I do not see fairness in 1. or 3. or 4. because making “mistakes” as an industrialist is not per se different from making mistakes while flying a ship. I hope that finally clarifies my position on asset recuperation, the subject of your OP. > [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](#): > > There should be some kind of asset recovery from a terminated job and most definitely if cancelled within a hair of a second of creation. in case Anderson/stefnia gets it wrong for the third time ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/52 "2024-10-14T15:04:38Z")
> [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](#): > > if you had paid attention its actually the same button I use that same button every day … on multiple toons … I would not mind if it were two buttons … I said so before … you didn’t pay attention … > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > 1. Do you want changes to the indy part of the Photon UI to prevent you from inadvertently canceling jobs ? > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > I see fairness in 2., and like many players I’m not a fan of Photon. A UI should be geared to its task, and Photon is hardly an improvement over the old UI. I’m sorry that I didn’t spell out, in capitals, that I’m okay with two, three, etc buttons, my “subconsciousness” can handle any number of buttons because I _pay attention and try to avoid automated mode as much as I can_ lol. That still doesn’t bring your assets back, which is what you asked for in post number 1 (you didn’t ask for buttons). Are you okay with that ? [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479.md?page=2)