# Job Cancellations are too punishing **URL:** \ **Category:** Science & Industry\ **Created:** [October 13, 2024, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479 "2024-10-13T20:51:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/53 "2024-10-14T15:08:04Z")
I care more about the mistake not being so easy to make again than the return of my assets for this single incident. Infact, proposing a change at all is about the future and not about my current loss. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/54 "2024-10-14T15:08:49Z")
okay, then we finally agree (not that it matters to any dev, but it’s a good thing to agree) and assets will still be lost when canceling jobs (and the title of the thread could be adjusted to “how to avoid job cancellations” and be moved to the Player Suggestions subsection) ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/55 "2024-10-14T15:12:31Z")
I compromised on a UX improvement, but I still believe that cancellations, specifically within a short window frame should not be so destructive. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/56 "2024-10-14T15:15:17Z")
If you feel it worthwile to do so, you can pitch your idea to the next CSM rep with a specialty in indy. Chances are it will be Kenneth again, with the level of support that he has. ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/57 "2024-10-14T15:16:32Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > (and the title of the thread could be adjusted to “how to avoid job cancellations” and be moved to the Player Suggestions subsection) No I believe, turning this into an extra button suggestion thread is not required, and instead that could be its own thread. Which I will not be the Champion for. I would like to hold my opinion on non-destructive cancellations but I would be happy with a button implementation similar to that of jump clones in the interim because I accept that the ‘plumping’ is not in place for holding the items consumed state on job start. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/58 "2024-10-14T15:20:49Z")
You’re free to try, of course and talking with the relevant CSM rep who can take the idea to CCP is a step you could consider. Early on I tried to tell you that destructive cancellations are intentional by design. Make of that what you like, and see if CCP has changed its opinion / intention. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/59 "2024-10-14T15:23:34Z")
Manufacturing in EVE has been this way for 21 years now, and that’s not likely to change… ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/60 "2024-10-14T15:32:42Z")
A lot has changed, reworked and been ‘reinvigorated’ in those 21 years. So I seriously doubt the game will last another 21 years and have zero attempts to look into industry. It is on us as the customers to convey our interest for change and on them to plan the roadmap / priority compared to user desire. I am stating my interest. ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/61 "2024-10-14T15:41:28Z")
Stop asking for things to be de-risked. If you get your manufacturing de-risked then I want a protective bubble around my ship that exists the whole time I’m hacking cans and persists for 15 minutes after to give me time to get home. No ifs or buts, this is what you are asking for. Something for nothing. All reward, no risk. You get socialism while we all get capitalism. ■■■■■■■ no. ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/62 "2024-10-14T16:10:40Z")
you do realise that industrialists take risk right? - Investment risk, the market can be quite volatile and by the time your queues finish you could be in the red instead of green - Logistical risk, the material involved does not move itself you know - Structure Risk, must I explain? and industrialists also have a higher risk / higher reward spread as well. But I am Pro-risk in all of these cases. In your imagination did you believe that this was the only risk industrialists took? Do you believe that they all sat around a table and said: _‘You know what, we need more risk for industrialists, lets make the start button and cancel button the same button’_ ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/63 "2024-10-14T17:03:20Z")
You are subject to the same miss-click risk as the rest of us, stop gurning. ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/64 "2024-10-14T17:11:46Z")
The only person gurning is yourself, it appears you have not gotten over your exploration tengu loss and have chosen to vent at others. A miss-click is not the same as a miss-play fyi and you sir missplayed. ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/65 "2024-10-14T17:23:10Z")
Imagine being this lame; you look up someone’s kill board to try to needle them about a ship loss from ages ago because you’re butthurt about being told to stop being butthurt. So weak edit: Copy-quoting this in case you delete it later out of embarrassment (I would!) > [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](#): > > The only person gurning is yourself, it appears you have not gotten over your exploration tengu loss and have chosen to vent at others. A miss-click is not the same as a miss-play fyi and you sir missplayed. ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/66 "2024-10-14T17:30:05Z")
edit: post duplicated below ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/67 "2024-10-14T17:35:54Z")
Yeah you really can’t see how feeble this post makes you appear can you? ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/68 "2024-10-14T17:36:53Z")
Still not as lame as an explorer coming into an industry conversation to compare everything to his misplays. And not to mention you hinted your experience in your comments, the killboard just confirmed it. > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > It should be treated the same as if you’re hacking cans and you aren’t paying attention and get killed. > > _■■■■ happens_ lets post the km for posterity: [Tengu | Akkar Kardashev | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/120777769/) and since you hinted that you like to delete posts that you later regret, lets post this as well > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > Stop asking for things to be de-risked. > > If you get your manufacturing de-risked then I want a protective bubble around my ship that exists the whole time I’m hacking cans and persists for 15 minutes after to give me time to get home. > > No ifs or buts, this is what you are asking for. > > Something for nothing. > > All reward, no risk. > > You get socialism while we all get capitalism. > > ■■■■■■■ no. ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/69 "2024-10-14T17:37:51Z")
> [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](#): > > and since you hinted that you like to delete posts that you later regret, lets post this as well Go look for a single post I’ve deleted. You are so whiney it’s hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/70 "2024-10-14T17:38:35Z")
> [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](#): > > (post deleted by author) The irony. My sides are splitting 😁 You literally deleted and reposted even though “Edit” _exists_ because you _desperately needed me to see it_ You are flailing sir. ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/71 "2024-10-14T17:41:09Z")
why are your sides splitting? you read it, its a complete duplication of the post below. ---
**Author:** ![AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ataman_zloy/32/436820_2.png) [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtAmAn_Zloy)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479/72 "2024-10-14T17:43:49Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > > [@AtAmAn\_Zloy](#): > > > > (post deleted by author) > > The irony. My sides are splitting 😁 > > You literally deleted and reposted even though “Edit” _exists_ because you _desperately needed me to see it_ > > You are flailing sir. yes I was editing it and when I posted the re-edit it created a new post instead of editing. But if this entertains you then I guess you have given me even more insight into how valuable your opinions or credibility is. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/job-cancellations-are-too-punishing/464479.md?page=3)