# Join the ingame channel "Highsec Lobby" and help make a better highsec! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 23, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294 "2020-01-23T21:20:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/264 "2020-01-26T21:06:36Z")
You can’t actually run for CSM. Only players who never had an account banned can run. Plus, they reserve the right to reject any- and everyone they want and it would be relatively easy to convince them of that, thanks to Ankh. The least likely situation happening is that you actually will get voted into the CSM. What you _will_ realize, or be forced to realize, is the vastness of the difference of you _right now_ and you sitting in front of people without the internet in between. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/265 "2020-01-26T21:38:24Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > To be fair even 60M/h running L3s for thukker in hs would be good payout Not really. I used the real value of the missions I did, but with LP for thukker instead of the actual corp I did. For those missions (thukker), I should have around 80M/h. Also the gain in LS is so bad it’s not even worth going there. and if you do them in a BC, you go way slower than in a nano/hyper mach. I don’t have exact values, but it was around 8 AU/s and 6s align. for around 1k DPs, a T2 MWD ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/266 "2020-01-26T21:40:49Z")
Why is it that mission runners avoid the Thukker missions? I have heard the payout is better, but people still stick with the Sisters of Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/267 "2020-01-26T22:06:13Z")
because better volume for soe, and better geography for burners. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/268 "2020-01-26T22:20:26Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Simple, if you want to participate in the wardec mechanic, you drop a structure. If you don’t drop a structure you don’t participate, bittervets are still raging because they can’t bully newbies, too bad And here you demonstrate your fundamental lack of understanding of how EVE is supposed to work. EVE is a PvP game, you opt into PvP by logging in. It’s shameful that CCP gave into the whining of pathetic farmer trash like you and made you immune to wars. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/269 "2020-01-26T22:49:15Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > This is a sandbox game, you pvp fanatics have to accept that, all styles of gameplay are valid. This is a PVP sandbox game, where PVP is the central focal point. You PVE fanatics have to accept that, and all styles of gameplay are subject to PVP intervention. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/270 "2020-01-26T23:02:04Z")
People dislike the consequences of their vision of freedom, those consequences being other people who have a different vision of freedom that happens to conflict with theirs. Terry Pratchett summed it up in one of the discworld books. > I believe in freedom. Not many people do, although they will of course protest otherwise. And no practical definition of freedom would be complete without the freedom to take the consequences. Indeed, it is the freedom upon which all the others are based. > ~ Lord Vetinari - Going Postal Alternatively… ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/0/606df0333bc2304a54ee184eec1089c28d281e78.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Legit\_HyperN\_et](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/legit_hypern_et/32/181363_2.png) [@Legit\_HyperN\_et](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Legit_HyperN_et)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/271 "2020-01-26T23:07:57Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > This is a sandbox game, you pvp fanatics have to accept that, all styles of gameplay are valid. This is a PVP only game. The sandbox is for PVP alone. There is no room for PVE without a full PVP element to it. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/272 "2020-01-26T23:08:43Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > But for these people that does not count, because highsec should be nerfed to the ground because _ **REASONS** _!!! Yes. Those reasons are important. Dont just lump them together and brush them off as “Reasons”. What a dishonest thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/273 "2020-01-26T23:10:07Z")
He knows nothing BUT dishonesty. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/274 "2020-01-26T23:14:28Z")
BTW, ive been in your corp for about 3 months now. ![Retired](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/b/6be6cea7ea9d22da94794e3bf730076ee3127c54.png) Why are so many people biomassing in your corporation? Not just leaving eve. Theyre Biomassing their character so that they can never play again. I keep getting these notifications in my phone. Its annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/275 "2020-01-26T23:16:04Z")
What makes me laugh is that some of the people moaning about nerfs to PvE are the same people that are responsible for nerfs to PvE in the first place; ie those that were overfarming an activity. Meanwhile other more casual players are getting hit with the same nerf because of the overfarming of others. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/276 "2020-01-26T23:16:41Z")
LOL…it’s almost like it’s some type of scam…I say in total lack of no surprise… ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/277 "2020-01-26T23:26:35Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > What makes me laugh is that some of the people moaning about nerfs, are the same people that are responsible for nerfs in the first place; ie those that were overfarming an activity. Its all about perspective. When you see a guilty man set free, you get angry. When youre the guilty party, you’ll do anything to get away with it. When you see corruption, you want to fight it. When you are actively benefiting from corruption, you want it to continue. And then there are those who see corruption, see wealth, and want it for themselves, irrespective of the consequences. People like Sabus Naarian. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/278 "2020-01-26T23:31:26Z")
This is not normal. Ive been a part of plenty of new player corps. I dont see people biomassing in droves. How bad does a corp have to be to convince its players to actually biomass? Most players just delete the game. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/279 "2020-01-26T23:34:15Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Why are so many people biomassing in your corporation? Recycled alts used to pad the member count. You have to think “What can a dishonest person do with this”? 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/280 "2020-01-26T23:35:29Z")
Are those actual players or just alphas used to pad a corp’s numbers? My guess is it’s a confidence scam. Make it look like a lot of new players join to lure real new players…remember who we’re really dealing with here. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/281 "2020-01-26T23:47:14Z")
> You can’t actually run for CSM. Only players who never had an account banned can run. Plus, they reserve the right to reject any- and everyone they want and it would be relatively easy to convince them of that, thanks to Ankh. Well I never had any accounts banned, so that won’t be a problem. As for CCP just rejecting the results that is their right of course. > The least likely situation happening is that you actually will get voted into the CSM. What you _will_ realize, or be forced to realize, is the vastness of the difference of you _right now_ and you sitting in front of people without the internet in between. And I’m unable to talk to people? If you believe that then I can assure you there is no problem with my communication skils ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/282 "2020-01-26T23:48:18Z")
> And here you demonstrate your fundamental lack of understanding of how EVE is supposed to work. EVE is a PvP game, you opt into PvP by logging in. It’s shameful that CCP gave into the whining of pathetic farmer trash like you and made you immune to wars. CCP is learning that bittervets such as yourself are unprofitable in the long term, loving the changes to the game, don’t you agree? ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/283 "2020-01-26T23:50:27Z")
Likely because the newbie experience is terrible, we try our best to make it better, and are proud of our 30-40% newbie retention rate for the first month, but those biomasses are most likely attestations to the current state of highsec, it has to be much better to keep people in EVE versus other games. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294.md?page=15)