# Join the ingame channel "Highsec Lobby" and help make a better highsec! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 23, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294 "2020-01-23T21:20:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/404 "2020-01-27T18:50:18Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Oh dear the highsec members are advocating for their own interests, this is terrible and must be stopped. When the only interests you have are “make the numbers in my wallet go up faster without having to do anything but AFK farming” and “remove all risk of loss” then yes, you must be stopped. Fortunately nobody appears to be listening to you and your selfish demands for free stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/405 "2020-01-27T18:50:38Z")
> Or instead of taxing your members and then giving some of the money back to them you could just set your tax rate to zero. But we all know why you don’t do this. Then corp cannot fund any programs, why doesn’t null set their tax to 0%? Same reason. > You aren’t a good corp. You’re just a scammer who is too stupid to even scam effectively. The more the bittervets complain about our corp the better I know it is, you can’t have a good highsec corp showing people that you can have a good time without dealing with nullsec tyrants in your eyes correct? ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/406 "2020-01-27T18:51:34Z")
> When the only interests you have are “make the numbers in my wallet go up faster without having to do anything but AFK farming” and “remove all risk of loss” then yes, you must be stopped. Fortunately nobody appears to be listening to you and your selfish demands for free stuff. Lol bittervet raging, must be a scam, I want only free stuff, calm down lol, life should be enjoyed you don’t need this stress. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/407 "2020-01-27T18:53:37Z")
> [@Tintallei\_Sharan](#): > > He wants to give power to High sec, and now he make a proposal that would allow Null Sec groups to bring their full power in High sec and destroy his kind of pathetic baby corp Yes. In his delusional mind, he thinks that the hisec citizens will just buy thousands of dollars worth of Plex and just inject into titans and push back the waves of nullsec veterans. Of course, those titans were sold to them by the nullsec entities. Probably at inflated costs, since they would have sole monopoly on building and selling these supers. Its a vicious cycle, that only benefits veterans and the rich. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/408 "2020-01-27T18:54:56Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Good, more money for the corps to spend on the players. Or, more money for the CEO to pocket. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Wait they are a good corp The players in the Corp is good. They are new, after all, and dont know any better. The CEO, on the other hand, is not. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/409 "2020-01-27T18:55:48Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Then corp cannot fund any programs, why doesn’t null set their tax to 0%? Same reason. Because, as has been mentioned many times already, nullsec alliances have collective expenses that highsec corps do not have. You have no “programs” that do not involve directly giving/loaning ISK back to members and no ongoing maintenance costs to cover. > I PERFORM SEXUAL ACTS ON SHEEP BECAUSE MY MOM WON’T DO IT WITH ME ANYMORE AND THE MORE YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT IT THE BETTER I KNOW IT IS. See how dumb that sounds? That’s what you’re posting here. You’ve somehow got the delusional idea that the only way anyone can criticize you is because you are awesome, and blocked out the possibility that you could actually be wrong. (Not that you believe your own propaganda, I’m sure, this is just more of your self-serving rationalizations for how your scam corp is really good and how CCP should give you more free stuff.) > Lol bittervet raging, must be a scam, I want only free stuff, calm down lol, life should be enjoyed you don’t need this stress. Yep, all you can say is “LOLOLOLOOL BITTERVET RAGE LOLOLOLOLOL”. The reasonable person, on reading that accusation, would respond by posting examples of highsec improvements they are lobbying for that are not just “make my farming pay more and remove all risk”. You, on reading that accusation, can not post such a response because you do not in fact lobby for anything else. You are scammer trash and all you can do is rage and cry about how everyone who disagrees with you is a “bittervet” in a desperate attempt to deflect attention from your bad behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/410 "2020-01-27T19:00:01Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Yup we needed ice at that time, since your in the corp you know that people do what they want, much better than nullsec where you are restricted at every turn. Don’t see what the problem with using our buyback system is, but it must be a scam because its not nullsec. I wrote that to counter your claim that you gave an option. You didnt. You clearly didnt. Therefore, you were lying. And my post pretty much proved that. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > but it must be nice for you to see us get bigger and bigger Didnt you lose a bunch of players at the beginning of the year? Also, again, how many ice belts does Audaerne have? ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/411 "2020-01-27T19:05:35Z")
> Yes. In his delusional mind, he thinks that the hisec citizens will just buy thousands of dollars worth of Plex and just inject into titans and push back the waves of nullsec veterans. Or save up and train the skills, its not mandatory. > Of course, those titans were sold to them by the nullsec entities. Probably at inflated costs, since they would have sole monopoly on building and selling these supers. if it becomes a problem you can easily allow supers and titans to be built in highsec, negating the issue. > Its a vicious cycle, that only benefits veterans and the rich. Sounds like the current dominance of nullsec to me, naturally when people like me wish to change it there is backlash, hence proof that I’m in the right and that nullsec has too much influence. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/412 "2020-01-27T19:06:13Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Nope money the corp keeps. You mean, the CEO keeps. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Yup, let me guess your going to say that incursions should be nerfed because ICANP members are doing them now. As someone who ran and keeps running incursions and made hundreds of billions of isk from it, ive been saying that Incursion profits are severely skewed even before i heard of your group. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Aye many of the ships we got through donations, and giveaways we do every once in awhile, whenever people forget the program exists. Finally your previous claim about 10% of the tax going to the corp is false, all excess revenue not going into a program is simply invested in assets that retain value for when isk is needed. Says you. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Now let’s see if nullsec is willing to say where their tax revenues go, @Solonius_Rex I challenge you to find a null corp and have them audit themselves 🙂 assuming your not a null puppet of course Difference is, we know for a fact, that it costs ISK to operate in Nullsec. Do you know how we know this? because its part of the Game Mechanics. You might as well be saying “We need to audit every single player who sells on the market to make sure they are paying the 1% NPC tax!”. We dont need to, because its part of the game mechanics, that is hard-coded into the game. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/413 "2020-01-27T19:07:22Z")
> Or, more money for the CEO to pocket. Nope, we do have a vault for a reason > The players in the Corp is good. They are new, after all, and dont know any better. > > The CEO, on the other hand, is not. Indeed they are good, and I think of myself as good, especially since most who have an issue with me have agendas of their own (although your an exception, so my bittervet comments don’t apply to you) ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/414 "2020-01-27T19:09:20Z")
> You mean, the CEO keeps. nope > As someone who ran and keeps running incursions and made hundreds of billions of isk from it, ive been saying that Incursion profits are severely skewed even before i heard of your group. I think they are quite reasonable, many other highsec players agree > Says you. Well its how it is, sorry your disappointed > Difference is, we know for a fact, that it costs ISK to operate in Nullsec. > > Do you know how we know this? because its part of the Game Mechanics. > > You might as well be saying “We need to audit every single player who sells on the market to make sure they are paying the 1% NPC tax!”. We dont need to, because its part of the game mechanics, that is hard-coded into the game. And the advantage of highsec is our revenues can go exclusively to programs that help players, this is a good thing about highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/415 "2020-01-27T19:10:41Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Or save up and train the skills, its not mandatory. Didnt you make fun of me for being poor for not being able to afford that? Is that how you treat all your new players? > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > if it becomes a problem you can easily allow supers and titans to be built in highsec, negating the issue. Sure. Cut off the arm to stop a papercut from bleeding. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Sounds like the current dominance of nullsec to me, naturally when people like me wish to change it there is backlash, hence proof that I’m in the right and that nullsec has too much influence. And youre asking for that dominance of nullsec to come flooding into hisec. Not very smart, are you. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/416 "2020-01-27T19:14:17Z")
> Didnt you make fun of me for being poor for not being able to afford that? > > Is that how you treat all your new players? Nope that was because you were more hostile to me in the beginning of our conversations on the fourms, if someone is being just hostile I troll, mock etc. I help players make more isk, which I get lots of hatred for apparently 😛 > Sure. Cut off the arm to stop a papercut from bleeding. I disagree, I rather have more inter regional trade but if nullsec abuses their power then change it so they can’t do it anymore, Countries have anti-monopoly laws for a reason, so do games with dev change/intervention > And youre asking for that dominance of nullsec to come flooding into hisec. > > Not very smart, are you. Nope, the gate is opened both ways, it’ll shake up null more than highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/417 "2020-01-27T19:20:56Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > CCP is learning that bittervets such as yourself are unprofitable in the long term, loving the changes to the game, don’t you agree? I NOW RIGHT!! Having long term customers with multiple paid subscriptions who don’t like new content sucks hard compared to customers who whine about everything and quit in six months unless you give them new content every month. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/418 "2020-01-27T19:52:00Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Nope, we do have a vault for a reason A vault where you have full access to and can remove isk at your leisure? > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Indeed they are good, and I think of myself as good, especially since most who have an issue with me have agendas of their own (although your an exception, so my bittervet comments don’t apply to you) This thread brings up a lot of good points though, good points you really havent addressed. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/419 "2020-01-27T20:09:49Z")
> I NOW RIGHT!! > > Having long term customers with multiple paid subscriptions who don’t like new content sucks hard compared to customers who whine about everything and quit in six months unless you give them new content every month. lol most of you don’t even pay money you just buy plex, newbies buying starter packs and omega/plex for isk and injectors give 3x the value of most bittervets. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/420 "2020-01-27T20:11:11Z")
> A vault where you have full access to and can remove isk at your leisure? Of course, doesn’t mean I take isk for my personal use however. > This thread brings up a lot of good points though, good points you really havent addressed. Such as? ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/421 "2020-01-27T20:57:51Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > you just buy plex, Yes. We use the isk we are good enough at EVE to make to buy PLEX but we don’t buy the “imaginary free PLEX the NPCs seed to the market that has never existed” we buy the PLEX from those (often ‘whales’) that use their RL money to buy the PLEX they then sell to us for the isk we are good enough at EVE to get by playing. It is a truly symbiotic relationship AND if you actually look at the cost/value and the other options you see that PLEXing your account(s) works out to cost approximately 50% more. Which means that the “bittervets” who PLEX and have ALREADY bought the very same “one time purchase only” packs you are trying to make out support the game are in fact paying/funding more than you pretend they do. Because you can’t use numbers very well. On a slightly different point though: Have any of you noticed that in ALL of his ranting and spamming since the posts showing those ridiculous corp-mails of his he has not addressed them in any way at all? Not even slightly. All he has done is spam his hysterics in an attempt to pretend they don’t exist. Most of though - the one question I NEED an answer to is this: HOW MANY ICE BELTS ARE THERE IN AUDAERNE? TELL ME HOW MANY THERE ARE!!! ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/422 "2020-01-27T21:00:08Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > lol **most of you** don’t even pay money you just buy plex, newbies buying starter packs and omega/plex for isk and injectors give 3x the value of most bittervets. Wow ■■■■■■■■ generalization much? I pay for 6 plus I have purchased all the DLC for those 6. My time is way to valuable to waste grinding plex for a lousy sub or 6. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/423 "2020-01-27T21:11:49Z")
> Yes. We use the isk we are good enough at EVE to make to buy PLEX but we don’t buy the “imaginary free PLEX the NPCs seed to the market that has never existed” we buy the PLEX from those (often ‘whales’) that use their RL money to buy the PLEX they then sell to us for the isk we are good enough at EVE to get by playing. It is a truly symbiotic relationship AND if you actually look at the cost/value and the other options you see that PLEXing your account(s) works out to cost approximately 50% more. Which means that the “bittervets” who PLEX and have ALREADY bought the very same “one time purchase only” packs you are trying to make out support the game are in fact paying/funding more than you pretend they do. Because you can’t use numbers very well. Nope whale pays for bittervet sub, no plex from whale no omega for bittervet, so whale \> bittervet, > Have any of you noticed that in ALL of his ranting and spamming since the posts showing those ridiculous corp-mails of his he has not addressed them in any way at all? Not even slightly. All he has done is spam his hysterics in an attempt to pretend they don’t exist. > > Most of though - the one question I NEED an answer to is this: > HOW MANY ICE BELTS ARE THERE IN AUDAERNE? TELL ME HOW MANY THERE ARE!!! lol read up I covered each one I believe, and its a call to mine ice and sell from wherever, long since passed, that doesn’t have to be in audaerne since there are none there, your point since I don’t see one just a ramble 😛 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294.md?page=20) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294.md?page=22)