# Join the ingame channel "Highsec Lobby" and help make a better highsec! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 23, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294 "2020-01-23T21:20:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/424 "2020-01-27T21:13:04Z")
> Wow ■■■■■■■■ generalization much? I pay for 6 plus I have purchased all the DLC for those 6. > > My time is way to valuable to waste grinding plex for a lousy sub or 6. Good, more bittervets should pay for their sub. But remember that whales and newer players also spend money on plex and other microtransactions, while bittervets instead of spending money like to complain and belittle the newbies until they quit, hence why bittervets are eve’s trash. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/425 "2020-01-27T21:20:47Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > whale \> bittervet, Go look up what “symbiotic” means you barely literate ranting fool. “no whale no omega for bittervet”. Yes. And no bittervet with isk, no isk for whale to sell the PLEX for. BC SYMBIOTIC. Moron. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/426 "2020-01-27T21:27:27Z")
> Go look up what “symbiotic” means you barely literate ranting fool. > > “no whale no omega for bittervet”. Yes. And no bittervet with isk, no isk for whale to sell the PLEX for. > > BC SYMBIOTIC. > > Moron. Wha whaaer ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/427 "2020-01-27T21:44:13Z")
So you’re saying you dont use the corp wallet to buy plex, keep it to yourself, and none of your leaders have access to it? ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/428 "2020-01-27T21:56:55Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > lol most of you don’t even pay money you just buy plex… 😮 Ohh noo sabus you didn’t! Yikes, that is indeed a really cringeworthy thing for you to say. Dang…you didn’t understand the very basic concept of how ccp makes real monies from players PLEXing their accounts? ccp certainly does as evidenced by them happily continuing and encouraging that system. Ouch…I’m a little embarrassed for you… I see you put out a CTA to your corp ‘incompetent and proud’ to forum-brigade “support” your posts about how capital ships should be in hisec, etc. Well, whatever… I personally find that sort of “vote padding” a bit unsettling and sometimes a little sleazy (and before you say it - yes, no matter who does it). I would prefer to see ideas supported or not based on their own merits or lack thereof and that be more organic a process rather than folks be “pointed” at a forum. So be it, however…you’re far from the first, unfortunately. You really shouldn’t dismiss any players who might have been around this game a while as just “bittervets”. Many are vets of the game, yes, but not all who might disagree with you are “bitter”. Your own corp members (those who stick around a while, of course) are going to learn the game themselves eventually, you know. Will they recall their start in ‘incompetent and proud’ positively, one wonders? Do you care? Your corp members and any others who support your ideas for capital ships and supers in hisec simply need to ask themselves one question: _ **WHY DID CCP REMOVE THEM FROM HISEC IN THE FIRST PLACE?** _ ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/429 "2020-01-27T22:11:39Z")
> So you’re saying you dont use the corp wallet to buy plex, keep it to yourself, and none of your leaders have access to it? All excess revenues that do not go to programs are used to buy plex and other assets that keep value for storage in our vault. I do not keep it for myself, and wallet access is shared among several people depending on their position in corp. ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/430 "2020-01-27T22:12:33Z")
I find that to be a lie, unless you can show me definite proof otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/431 "2020-01-27T22:13:12Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > in our vault LOL… ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/432 "2020-01-27T22:18:03Z")
> 😮 Ohh noo sabus you didn’t! Yikes, that is indeed a really cringeworthy thing for you to say. Dang…you didn’t understand the very basic concept of how ccp makes real monies from players PLEXing their accounts? ccp certainly does as evidenced by them happily continuing and encouraging that system. Ouch…I’m a little embarrassed for you… Don’t worry I know how plex works, remember I like to troll the bittervets from time to time. Still, the whale is the one that spends the cash to get the plex, without him plex would be at 6-10m a unit and unreachable to all but the richest few. > I see you put out a CTA to your corp ‘incompetent and proud’ to forum-brigade “support” your posts about how capital ships should be in hisec, etc. lol it is not a CTA, unlike nullsec we don’t kick if a member decides to do his own thing. > I personally find that sort of “vote padding” a bit unsettling and sometimes a little sleazy (and before you say it - yes, no matter who does it). Well nullsec does it to, gotta do it to stay in the game. But you blame all sides so that’s ok with me. > I would prefer to see ideas supported or not based on their own merits or lack thereof and that be more organic a process rather than folks be “pointed” at a forum. So be it, however…you’re far from the first, unfortunately. Many players don’t know the forums exist or use them, its why corps mail out say CSM election ballots etc, to get people to know. > You really shouldn’t dismiss any players who might have been around this game a while as just “bittervets”. Many are vets of the game, yes, but not all who might disagree with you are “bitter”. Your own corp members (those who stick around a while, of course) are going to learn the game themselves eventually, you know. Will they recall their start in ‘incompetent and proud’ positively, one wonders? Do you care? I have no problem with veterans, I myself have played the game on and off since 2010, and hell I can be bitter at times so I may be a bittervet. What I have a problem with are veterans that miss the heyday when they first started, that perfect eve that everyone has, and thus they refuse to want to move the game forward. I want every single member in my corp to be a vet someday, every person that leaves is a case that I have failed. > Your corp members and any others who support your ideas for capital ships and supers in hisec simply need to ask themselves one question: > _ **WHY DID CCP REMOVE THEM FROM HISEC IN THE FIRST PLACE?** _ Simple back in the day Concord was weak and tankable/killable, so capitals were definitely overpowered, since you could kill whomever you wanted. Now that CONCORD is invicible and kills you just as fast depending on sec status, such reason no longer applies. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/433 "2020-01-27T22:19:07Z")
> I find that to be a lie, unless you can show me definite proof otherwise. Too bad, I wouldn’t mind seeing definite proof that your finances are in order, since you’ll refuse I’ll take your word that they are good, as you’ll have to do with me. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/434 "2020-01-27T22:19:25Z")
> LOL… lol bittervet angry ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/435 "2020-01-27T22:20:14Z")
My finances arent the ones in question here. Yours are. So just show some proof. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/436 "2020-01-27T22:21:35Z")
> My finances arent the ones in question here. Yours are. So just show some proof. I’m questioning yours, show some proof. ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/437 "2020-01-27T22:25:38Z")
Proof of what? Trying to retort my statement with that question means you’re trying to evade my statement. All you have to do is show proof that you dont keep the corp wallet as plex in your personal wallet. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/438 "2020-01-27T22:29:30Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Sounds like the current dominance of nullsec to me, naturally when people like me wish to change it there is backlash, hence proof that I’m in the right and that nullsec has too much influence. Ah yes, the “clever” argument trap of the scammer: if I agree with you that means you are right, if I disagree with you the fact that I am disagreeing proves that you are right. Too bad pathetic evasion like this is all you have. > Nope, the gate is opened both ways, it’ll shake up null more than highsec. You mean all of the nullsec alliances will move their titan production to highsec, where it is much less vulnerable to attack? Farmer trash like you will still lose and then whine about how unfair everything is. Not that you care about shaking up nullsec. We all know your only goal is to get capitals for PvE farming so you can get even more ISK/hour with a ship that is effectively impossible to suicide gank. > lol most of you don’t even pay money you just buy plex, You’re certainly doing a good job of demonstrating your idiocy again. If I buy PLEX for my subscription it means that someone else had to buy that PLEX from CCP with cash. The net revenue from CCP is higher than if I paid $15/month for a subscription. And if you take away those “bittervets” buying PLEX with ISK there is no more demand for PLEX and nobody buys them with cash anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/439 "2020-01-27T22:29:32Z")
lol lying scum ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/440 "2020-01-27T23:01:11Z")
> Proof of what? Trying to retort my statement with that question means you’re trying to evade my statement. All you have to do is show proof that you dont keep the corp wallet as plex in your personal wallet. Since your such a firm believer, show every one your proof that you do not keep the corp wallet as plex in your personal wallet, if you refuse, then your a hypocrite and that is my basis for refusing your request. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/441 "2020-01-27T23:03:36Z")
> Ah yes, the “clever” argument trap of the scammer: if I agree with you that means you are right, if I disagree with you the fact that I am disagreeing proves that you are right. Too bad pathetic evasion like this is all you have. Bittervet trash such as yourself complaining as all the proof I need that I’m right 🙂 > You mean all of the nullsec alliances will move their titan production to highsec, where it is much less vulnerable to attack? Farmer trash like you will still lose and then whine about how unfair everything is. Sure, if its in an NPC station to problem, bittervet trash such as yourself will be leaving in droves hehe > Not that you care about shaking up nullsec. We all know your only goal is to get capitals for PvE farming so you can get even more ISK/hour with a ship that is effectively impossible to suicide gank. I already mentioned my goal is both shaking up nullsec and buffing up highsec. Trashy bittervets such as yourself seem to have issues comprehending that 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/442 "2020-01-27T23:04:39Z")
> lol lying scum crying bittervet scum; you and others are very angry today I see 🙂 . Remember ICANP and highsec playerbase keeps growing, you can’t do a thing about it! ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/443 "2020-01-27T23:06:59Z")
You are scum…garbage and the lowest piece of ■■■■ in the game. You take advantage of new players to pad your own wallet. You should be banned outright. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294.md?page=23)