# Join the ingame channel "Highsec Lobby" and help make a better highsec! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 23, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294 "2020-01-23T21:20:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Maverick\_Starcrest](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maverick_starcrest/32/247298_2.png) [@Maverick\_Starcrest](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maverick_Starcrest)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/41 "2020-01-23T22:43:02Z")
I know the difference in PI revenue in HS and out of HS. But the guy doing it out of HS and having it hauled by someone is not taking much of a risk. > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > L2P …?? Well I am just a few months in, so still learning to play. I don’t claim to have understood all the mechanics of EVE. And you cherry picked what you wanted to reply to, I made another argument, which you just ignored…!! Typical ‘Millennial’ behaviour. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Karynn\_Denton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karynn_denton/32/468090_2.png) [@Karynn\_Denton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karynn_Denton)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/42 "2020-01-23T22:46:31Z")
As someone who does most of their activites in High-Sec, I find myself at odds with virtually everything you’re saying. With respect, I or my small corp won’t be joining or supporting your channel. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/43 "2020-01-23T22:47:26Z")
> [@Maverick\_Starcrest](#): > > the guy doing it out of HS and having it hauled by someone is not taking much of a risk. …and not earning nearly as much. > [@Maverick\_Starcrest](#): > > Well I am just a few months in, so still learning to play Then maybe you shouldn’t be here making be demands… > [@Maverick\_Starcrest](#): > > I made another argument, which you just ignored Becasue it was stupid and showed that you don’t have a clue. ---
**Author:** ![Maverick\_Starcrest](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maverick_starcrest/32/247298_2.png) [@Maverick\_Starcrest](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maverick_Starcrest)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/44 "2020-01-23T22:51:09Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Then maybe you shouldn’t be here making be demands… Why?? The new guy does not have the right to speak or what? Who is the entitled prick now? > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Becasue it was stupid and showed that you don’t have a clue. That is what cowards say, when they don’t have a response. _Off to RL now. Had enough of your ■■■■■■■■ for one day. Will check in tomorrow_ ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/45 "2020-01-23T22:54:16Z")
> [@Maverick\_Starcrest](#): > > Why?? The new guy does not have the right to speak or what? Who is the entitled prick now? You have every right to make suggestions if you know what you are talking about…you don’t. > [@Maverick\_Starcrest](#): > > That is what cowards say, when they don’t have a response. No. It’s what I say when I see a stupid idea. Go cry more… ---
**Author:** ![Caroline\_728F](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caroline_728f/32/181382_2.png) [@Caroline\_728F](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caroline_728F)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/46 "2020-01-23T23:04:44Z")
“Now that my wallet’s fat with ISK you can nerf it, thanks!”. Oh, the hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Solomon\_Iskander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solomon_iskander/32/496328_2.png) [@Solomon\_Iskander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solomon_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/47 "2020-01-23T23:21:13Z")
OK boomer ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/48 "2020-01-23T23:38:46Z")
Can’t decide if this is funny or boring. I mean, “boo hoo HS is becoming so you can’t afk everything” is pretty funny but it is so repetitive I think it’s boring. Yeah. Boring. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/49 "2020-01-24T00:42:07Z")
> Risk to reward is a good thing to have, I agree. But consider new players, they have high sec as training wheels for the first few months, maybe more. They need some ISK to take those risks. No point in grinding for a week to get a cruiser and then have it blown up in a minor risk you took, while learning the game. That will discourage them and probably will make them leave the game. Problem is bittervets don’t get this. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/50 "2020-01-24T00:42:58Z")
> HS is good…you are not. That’s the problem. Go tell that to a newbie who just started the game ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/51 "2020-01-24T00:45:49Z")
Yup they are all hypocrites and bitter people, its fun trolling them 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/52 "2020-01-24T00:46:40Z")
Most newbies know that they need to walk before they can run…the stupid ones demand cruisers right away and easy ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 12:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/53 "2020-01-24T00:47:19Z")
> Most newbies know that they need to walk before they can run…the stupid ones demand cruisers right away and easy ISK. “Just slave away for 6 months until you can enjoy the game bro” No wonder player retention is at 4% ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/54 "2020-01-24T00:50:39Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > “Just slave away for 6 months until you can enjoy the game bro” No wonder player retention is at 4% People can enjoy the game right away. Stupid lazy ones can’t. Yes, retention for most hard games is low…the answer isn’t to make it easier as then you don’t have the same game. Devs know that they are making a niche game from the start and factor that accordingly. Don’t like that then go play WoW. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/55 "2020-01-24T01:01:06Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > People can enjoy the game right away. Stupid lazy ones can’t. > > Yes, retention for most hard games is low…the answer isn’t to make it easier as then you don’t have the same game. Devs know that they are making a niche game from the start and factor that accordingly. Don’t like that then go play WoW. So constantly losing people and thus money is a sound game developer decision in your eyes? ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/56 "2020-01-24T01:06:49Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > So constantly losing people and thus money is a sound game developer decision in your eyes? EVE is one of the longest running MMOs and was sold for half a billion. Sorry, what was your point again? ---
**Author:** ![Octavech\_Raholan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/octavech_raholan/32/373797_2.png) [@Octavech\_Raholan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Octavech_Raholan)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/57 "2020-01-24T01:08:05Z")
“Entitled millenials” “Snowflakes” “Triggered” Now I understand what kind if people you code cultist behind your accounts are. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/58 "2020-01-24T01:09:04Z")
Calm down miner…go watch some Netfix or something…EVE is hard after all…relax. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 2:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/59 "2020-01-24T02:03:09Z")
It’s most likely balancing of risk vs reward. Wardecs were nerfed at the end of 2018 and since then high sec players have been grinding pve like bunnies f-ck. Incursions have been creeping upward in the MER each month and peoples claims of earnings via EC’s have been pretty high. So don’t be surprised if general reward nerfs come along after pvp nerfs and vice versa. It’s a necessary process. The good news is, if all you do is grind all day and circle jerk about isk/hour, you’re not contributing much to the game anyways. Your absence probably wont even be noticed. Unsub away. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/60 "2020-01-24T02:38:51Z")
I totally support this and hereby announce my intention to help make high sec better by increasing the risk of doing all kinds of activities in high sec for everyone in that “Highsec Lobby” channel, in order to keep the risk vs rewards in line with the increased rewards that I’m sure these lobbyists are going to get from CCP Real Soon™. I won’t just avoid interfering with anyone ganking pilots belonging to the wonderful alliance the OP belongs to. From now on, I’m also willing to _actively help_ anyone wanting to gank them, all in the hope that the increased risk will help CCP see that the demands of these lobbyists are fully justified and highsec rewards need to be increased to compensate… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294.md?page=4)