# Join the ingame channel "Highsec Lobby" and help make a better highsec! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 23, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294 "2020-01-23T21:20:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ben\_Okel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ben_okel/32/446086_2.png) [@Ben\_Okel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ben_Okel)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 4:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/81 "2020-01-24T04:51:46Z")
Not at all. It should have never been that way in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zirconium_solkaze/32/173693_2.png) [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zirconium_Solkaze)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/82 "2020-01-24T10:02:27Z")
Dude, I timed these things daily. You claim to do 20+ sites in a hour and I know for a fact that a minimum of 2 minutes will pass from ded payout until actual engagement. so let’s use your low ball number of 20. 20 x 2 = 40 minutes of down time. You are exaggerating. They didn’t spawn instant and rats didn’t pour out of the hole without animating first. You’re the idiot who is clearly lying out his teeth. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/83 "2020-01-24T11:01:41Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > but I’ll be complaining and organizing my fellow highsec residents to advocate for change, that may cause some bittervets to unsub tho. Because it’s going so well so far lol. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/84 "2020-01-24T11:04:56Z")
The consensus from reliable sources, including those with access to CCP data, put the number at a consistent 400-500M ISK/h for someone triple-boxing with a fully optimized set-up. Yes, not everyone was grinding/botting that effectively, but unfortunately the game needs to be balanced for the few that have min/maxed the content, and that number has been growing every month. That was just too much easy ISK. It was out of balanced and made almost all other PvE choices irrelevant. Good on those that mastered the content early and made their fortunes, but such an oppressive source of easy wealth, especially in the safety of highsec, can’t really be allowed to continue in a sandbox game like Eve. This brings me to the OP. Highsec has problems, largely from years of neglect, and could benefit from better representation. Organizing and bringing people together to create a unified voice is a noble goal and might benefit the game, but not if the main action items of this group are going to be both “more easy ISK in highsec!” and “make highsec completely safe!” Those aims, while I get might seem important for some people, in general aren’t even compatible or good for the game. There will be no success found in herding a bunch of highsec farmers into a group to whine loudly for easier and safer resources. That won’t make the game better, and probably is a significant root cause of the serious issues we already have. Also, such things aren’t especially popular at CCP now as they work to dig themselves out of the hole of stagnation years of easy wealth and safety have placed them in. So while normally I’d see little harm in a bunch of namby-pamby highsec farmers trying to lobby CCP to make the game easier and less competitive so all of them feel like winners - actually, it is highly amusing to me - there is the harm they are causing to the new players who get swept up in their efforts to amass bodies. Perhaps some good souls should employ the same spamming eve-mail techniques these groups are using to vacuum up new players, to provide literature to these new players? To educate them on how this game works and why things are the way they are and counter some of the propaganda coming out of these highsec partisan activists? Something to think about I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahari_chent-shi/32/249476_2.png) [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahari_Chent-Shi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/85 "2020-01-24T11:52:19Z")
There seems to be two camps when it comes to this kind of issue. The “make hisec lucrative” and the “htfu and move out to nullsec”. But why should players HAVE to be herded out to nullsec? To effectively survive nullsec, you have to join the blue donut and become an F1 monkey for a mega alliance. Essentially becoming a nullsec farmer instead of a hisec farmer. So really, what’s the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/86 "2020-01-24T11:52:49Z")
Yes, you are right: GO and tell that to a newbie who just started the game. As one of them I consider that everything he posted is right. You are just an entitled cry-baby, nothing to do with helping the newbies. One of the main reason why a New player might want to leave the game is to find it plagued by players like you after a good bunch of us are already refugees from other games your kind killed. You’ve got WoW in your killboard, it should be good enough. From a Gameplay point of view, new players need incentive to go and seek fun and engaging Gameplay, NOT incentive to stay in the most boring part of the game forever and be completely bored after a month. You said it yourself: High sec is training wheels. Well, news flash: Training wheels are not supposed to be a long term thing. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/87 "2020-01-24T11:58:45Z")
> [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](#): > > There seems to be two camps when it comes to this kind of issue. The “make hisec lucrative” and the “htfu and move out to nullsec”. Not quite. More like the camps are ‘let us farm all day’ and ‘lets not break the economy even more’. High sec _can_ be lucrative. But that reward needs to be managed with the appropriate risk. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/88 "2020-01-24T12:01:05Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > There will be no success found in herding a bunch of highsec farmers into a group to whine loudly for easier and safer resources. As nice and informative your post might be, you’ve only tangentially touched the real issue here, which isn’t they asking for ridiculous “improvements” to high sec that will never happen. The real issue here is that these childish whiners hoard newbies with the intention of _ **using** _ them for their lobbying purposes… ---
**Author:** ![Stalter\_Arjar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stalter_arjar/32/411988_2.png) [@Stalter\_Arjar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stalter_Arjar)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/89 "2020-01-24T12:02:08Z")
Well said sir. ---
**Author:** ![Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahari_chent-shi/32/249476_2.png) [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahari_Chent-Shi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/90 "2020-01-24T12:27:38Z")
That’s very true, I agree completely. Reduce nullsec bounties by 50%. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/91 "2020-01-24T12:36:57Z")
Maybe not 50% but they do need managing. My reaction to blackout btw: > [@Local Comms Blackout - Discussion Thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/local-comms-blackout-discussion-thread/171935/1421): > > [tenor] To the afk cloaking thread! rocket There are some people who don’t just lobby for self interest at the expense of all else. Some of us actually want a great game that balances rewards and risk correctly for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/92 "2020-01-24T12:50:06Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > highsec is getting nerfed, and the reason why it happens is because highsec residents do not unite Bollocks. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/93 "2020-01-24T12:50:40Z")
> [@Maverick\_Starcrest](#): > > But High sec needs a good ISK generation activity as well. No, it does not. > [@Maverick\_Starcrest](#): > > But there should be some good activities in High sec that have a similar return as it is in Null. No, there should not. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > If all that happens thousands will quit the game Bollocks > [@Maverick\_Starcrest](#): > > I don’t claim to have understood all the mechanics of EVE. That is obvious, so stop making ludicrous claims. > [@Maverick\_Starcrest](#): > > They need some ISK to take those risks. No point in grinding for a week to get a cruiser and then have it blown up in a minor risk you took, while learning the game. That will discourage them and probably will make them leave the game. Bollocks again. You really should shut up. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Just slave away for 6 months until you can enjoy the game bro” No wonder player retention is at 4% I joined Brave Newbies only three weeks into the game and had a blast since then. You’re an idiot. > [@Octavech\_Raholan](#): > > “Entitled millenials” > “Snowflakes” > “Triggered” > Now I understand what kind if people you code cultist behind your accounts are. Calm down, miner. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > If you can’t understand my point then the only thing I have to say to you is improve your intelligence You have no point. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/94 "2020-01-24T13:06:16Z")
> [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](#): > > So really, what’s the difference? Risk vs reward… Also don’t forget about LS…it’s a great option these days as there are some really quiet areas to live in. ---
**Author:** ![Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahari_chent-shi/32/249476_2.png) [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahari_Chent-Shi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/95 "2020-01-24T13:08:10Z")
Serious question though: where’s the risk in nullsec? ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/96 "2020-01-24T13:11:18Z")
True and be an independent down there and find out… If you are part of a corp though and you pay attention you are right, it’s pretty safe…BUT, you will spend more on your ships to make more and eventually, lose more…circle of life… ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/97 "2020-01-24T13:12:27Z")
> [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](#): > > Serious question though: where’s the risk in nullsec? Go and find out. ---
**Author:** ![Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahari_chent-shi/32/249476_2.png) [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahari_Chent-Shi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/98 "2020-01-24T13:15:02Z")
I’ve daytripped a few times and yea, I got my poop pushed in, but that was expected. A quick cursory look at the MER showed more destruction in a hisec region than nullsec. With about a third of the bounty prizes. I’m not against one or the other. Like whatever. Live and let live. But the constant push-pull of players calling each other farmer trash is old when it’s only hisec farmers vs nullsec farmers and the only difference is the illusion of risk that nullsec’ers operate under. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/99 "2020-01-24T13:34:06Z")
You make a point… The types of losses are pretty different though. In HS it’s a lot of cargo (things going/coming from Jita) where as in NS it’s more combat ships. I think the big difference is that you not only need to commit more in NS (join a corp) but you also need to fly a better type of ship (which costs more). But if you are in friendly space, you are right, it’s probably pretty safe…I’ll stick with LS though 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahari_chent-shi/32/249476_2.png) [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahari_Chent-Shi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294/100 "2020-01-24T13:37:27Z")
I’m gonna look you up in-game so we can go on some LS roams together. 🙂 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/join-the-ingame-channel-highsec-lobby-and-help-make-a-better-highsec/213294.md?page=6)