# July Release - Strategic Cruisers **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** july, ships\ **Created:** [July 3, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414 "2017-07-03T11:21:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![CCP\_Fozzie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_fozzie/32/476703_2.png) [@CCP\_Fozzie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Fozzie)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/21 "2017-07-03T14:39:58Z")
Yes we intentionally switched the Support sub bonuses so that only the fitting bonus was restricted to medium modules to open up the option for more unusual fits using small or large reps. However if we see these uses cause serious problems we would be open to making more changes to restrict them in the future (including limiting the range bonuses to only apply to certain reps again). ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/22 "2017-07-03T14:41:04Z")
Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. ---
**Author:** ![Airi\_Cho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/airi_cho/32/23427_2.png) [@Airi\_Cho](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Airi_Cho)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/23 "2017-07-03T14:41:53Z")
I am a bit confused about the rapid light bonus for the T3C. Didn’t you just limit some ships to have their damage bonuses no longer apply to light missiles? ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Fozzie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_fozzie/32/476703_2.png) [@CCP\_Fozzie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Fozzie)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/24 "2017-07-03T14:43:16Z")
We proposed a potential future change that would cause cruiser-sized **range** bonuses to no longer apply to light missiles. Damage bonus changes were not a part of that proposal. ---
**Author:** ![probag\_Bear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/probag_bear/32/13390_2.png) [@probag\_Bear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/probag_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/25 "2017-07-03T14:57:12Z")
Whew, Wrecked relics are literally worthless now. Well. I had a good run between November and now; guess it’s time for me to find something else to manufacture. ---
**Author:** ![vv01r](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vv01r/32/483009_2.png) [@vv01r](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/vv01r)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/26 "2017-07-03T15:03:31Z")
I started playing Eve when strategic cruisers first came out and I havent been this excited about them in a long long time. These change are very interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Kyral\_Kujan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kyral_kujan/32/57229_2.png) [@Kyral\_Kujan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kyral_Kujan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/27 "2017-07-03T15:06:52Z")
Wasn’t the point of the rebalance to make it so T3Cs aren’t overshadowing T2 Cruisers? Looking at the new stats, every T3C can be fit to have better bonuses, more slots, and far better stats than their HAC counterparts. The Loki and Legion even get the HAC role bonus (50% MWD radius reduction) in one of their propulsion subsystems. So… isn’t this a failure? At least from what I can tell, T3Cs are still better HACs than HACs. What happened to reworking them so that they no longer overshadow T2 Cruisers? ---
**Author:** ![Grath\_Telkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grath_telkin/32/278234_2.png) [@Grath\_Telkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grath_Telkin)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/28 "2017-07-03T15:09:31Z")
With all of the effort over the past years to make Galent ships more like an armor version of Minnie style (fast moving armor) why did you feel the need to make the proteus so unforgivably slow? ---
**Author:** ![Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chainsaw_plankton/32/256180_2.png) [@Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chainsaw_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/29 "2017-07-03T15:14:54Z")
PS: on the standard layout the industry table is borked, with the wide layout I can see it all. Might as well post it here: ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/2X/8/85d8ee850404a68202374ff6102bee382f4cbc81.png) ---
**Author:** ![SilentAsTheGrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/silentasthegrave/32/13486_2.png) [@SilentAsTheGrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SilentAsTheGrave)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/30 "2017-07-03T15:16:02Z")
The skill pint loss feels stupid. A random skill? And if you want to skill inject that back it could cost well over a billion ISK if you decided to train all the sub-systems to 5 to get the full potential of this cruiser. So effectively you are flying almost, if not, a 2 billion ISK ship before fitting it. It’s not even remotely worth it in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Airi\_Cho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/airi_cho/32/23427_2.png) [@Airi\_Cho](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Airi_Cho)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/31 "2017-07-03T15:19:33Z")
flying T3C is well worth that risk. ---
**Author:** ![White\_0rchid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/white_0rchid/32/381719_2.png) [@White\_0rchid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/White_0rchid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/32 "2017-07-03T15:20:12Z")
No, the aim wasn’t to make T3Cs on par or worse than T2 cruisers I don’t think, it was to bring them closer to them in power. The HACs most definitely need a look at (most of them are worse than T1 BCs), but that’s a different story for a different time. If the T3Cs were nerfed too far, then when (hopefully) they do a HAC pass, HACs would then potentially overshadow T3Cs. ---
**Author:** ![White\_0rchid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/white_0rchid/32/381719_2.png) [@White\_0rchid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/White_0rchid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/33 "2017-07-03T15:21:02Z")
Yes, unfortunately the prot is still terribly slow, possibly worse now than before, I’m not sure (if AHAC fleets are even going to be a thing), it will be able to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![Kyral\_Kujan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kyral_kujan/32/57229_2.png) [@Kyral\_Kujan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kyral_Kujan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/34 "2017-07-03T15:29:26Z")
HACs are meant to overshadow T3Cs in their role. That’s the entire point of T2 ships – they’re supposed to be the absolute best at what they do, period. It doesn’t quite make sense for HACs to be better than T1 BCs considering they’re a class larger than HACs. It’s a pattern that’s followed by nearly every ship in the game – how many T2 ships in one class are stronger than T1 ships in the class above it? Not many. This was a T3C rework. T3Cs should have been reworked relative to how other Cruisers are _now_, not how they’ll be in the future – there’s no guarantee CCP will even touch HACs. Again, they’re Cruiser hulls – they shouldn’t be competing with Battlecruisers in terms of DPS and EHP. ---
**Author:** ![Niraia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/niraia/32/29123_2.png) [@Niraia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Niraia)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/35 "2017-07-03T15:35:54Z")
Here’s the focus group contribution by number of lines. **Disclaimer** : This is obviously a terrible metric. We all know that the loudest designers don’t always make the best designers. Nevertheless, I thought it would be interesting. ``` sturm_gewehr: 1081 caprisunkraftfoods: 689 [DEV] ccp_fozzie: 637 white0rchid: 570 eustise: 562 titus.tallang: 459 rowells: 452 exooki: 331 noxisia: 330 progodlegend: 256 [CSM] sullen: 256 asher_elias: 251 icarus_narcissus: 251 starfleetcommander: 201 [CSM] jintaan: 184 frsd: 175 mawderator: 124 [CSM] noobman: 42 lanyaie: 37 [DEV] ccp_snowedin: 19 [CSM] suitonia: 12 lemkorgengod: 8 [CSM] rhiload: 6 [CSM] aryth: 4 [CSM] steveronuken: 3 ``` ---
**Author:** ![White\_0rchid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/white_0rchid/32/381719_2.png) [@White\_0rchid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/White_0rchid)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/36 "2017-07-03T15:36:10Z")
Yet on the flipside, CCP catch a huge deal of flak from making heavy handed decisions. ---
**Author:** ![Kyral\_Kujan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kyral_kujan/32/57229_2.png) [@Kyral\_Kujan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kyral_Kujan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/37 "2017-07-03T15:45:23Z")
Yeah, you’re not wrong there. Really, any decision they make is the wrong one to a lot of people. That’s why we need transparency and better communication from them though. [This](http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/8742/1/Shiptech_1920.jpg) is the last word we got from them as far as where T3 hulls should fit alongside T1, T2, navy, and pirate hulls. They either forgot about that image entirely or have changed their minds, but they haven’t actually said as much. It’s confusing and frustrating because we really have no idea what their plans are, or _why_ they came up with those plans to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Atlan\_Dallocort](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/atlan_dallocort/32/11674_2.png) [@Atlan\_Dallocort](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Atlan_Dallocort)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/38 "2017-07-03T15:48:52Z")
The Tengu is almost an Eagle now but the Legion still a double Zealot 🤔 The changes are on a good way but it seems you nerfed the two popular a bit too much while you buffed the two less popular ships on a good level. Do you plan a rebalance for HACs and T1 BS as well? ---
**Author:** ![Anya\_Klibor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anya_klibor/32/14306_2.png) [@Anya\_Klibor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anya_Klibor)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/39 "2017-07-03T15:51:46Z")
@CCP_Fozzie The most important question I haven’t seen answered: Which skill category are we getting unallocated skill points for? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Orca\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orca_platypus/32/248437_2.png) [@Orca\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orca_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/40 "2017-07-03T16:02:18Z")
A massive and totally unnecessary buff to cloaky nullified T3. Dear CCP, I would love to sub for a good patch, but this is just creating more problems, so I will stay alpha. Why can’t we have a good old Phoebe all over again and just nerf that substitute for skill to where it belongs? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414.md?page=3)