# July Release - Strategic Cruisers

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414>\
**Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\
**Tags:** july, ships\
**Created:** [July 3, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414 "2017-07-03T11:21:29Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 38

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**Author:** ![Rek\_Seven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rek_seven/32/281864_2.png) [@Rek\_Seven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rek_Seven)\
**Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/754 "2017-07-14T14:01:49Z")

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I’m just trying to PVP proteus fit that isn’t completely outclassed by the other Tech 3 ships… It’s not looking good.

I bet you any money CCP decide to nerft the other some more instead of buffing the proteus 😏

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**Author:** ![Frostys\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frostys_virpio/32/12703_2.png) [@Frostys\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frostys_Virpio)\
**Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/755 "2017-07-14T17:02:10Z")

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While I don’t know how wide the margin is, there will always be a technically lesser one out of 4 options.

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**Author:** ![Tremedus\_Synara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tremedus_synara/32/8195_2.png) [@Tremedus\_Synara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tremedus_Synara)\
**Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/756 "2017-07-14T18:10:51Z")

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I don’t fly Loki or Proteus, so I can’t comment on those, but I’m shocked about the degree of nerfing you did to the Legion and Tengu. I now have two ships that are 100% useless from the purpose of their previous builds. And my 2nd Tengu has been so heavily nerfed, its defenses are pathetic in comparison to its previous stats. From the dev blogs and discussions, I thought this was going to IMPROVE T3 Cruisers, not drastically reduce their capabilities!

Was their a reason for this nerf? Were there issues that came along with T3 Cruisers being too powerful for their intended class? And why remove the Legion’s Neut options? That was a very specific niche purpose that fit so perfectly, and now it’s just been completely removed.

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**Author:** ![Tremedus\_Synara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tremedus_synara/32/8195_2.png) [@Tremedus\_Synara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tremedus_Synara)\
**Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/757 "2017-07-14T18:12:22Z")

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Also, the Concord cruiser… I forget the name off the top of my head, but it has a bonus to Cloak and Scanning.

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**Author:** ![Dior\_Ambraelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dior_ambraelle/32/393685_2.png) [@Dior\_Ambraelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dior_Ambraelle)\
**Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/758 "2017-07-14T21:57:23Z")

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Well, I didn’t try to use it in wormholes yet, I mostly operate in hi-sec, hunting for DED and data sites. And I find it easier to use than the previous version.  
Is that stream recorded somewhere? I’m curious what other people found bad about it.

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**Author:** ![Rhino\_Sheka\_Zinbar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rhino_sheka_zinbar/32/337340_2.png) [@Rhino\_Sheka\_Zinbar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rhino_Sheka_Zinbar)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/759 "2017-07-15T06:24:26Z")

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Didn’t read if the drone speed bonus was nerfed or not. on the Gallente drone subsystem. Is it reduced from 37.5% max to 25%?

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**Author:** ![Fiona\_Marquise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fiona_marquise/32/6449_2.png) [@Fiona\_Marquise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fiona_Marquise)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/760 "2017-07-15T06:58:40Z")

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You really don’t have a strong grasp of reality on the Tengu do you? the Tengu doesn’t possess the PWG or CPU to functionally USE batteries in the first place so merely mentioning them is a friggen joke at best and an insult to someones intelligence at worse, its like trying to throw a V8 Hemi engine into a Chevy volt.

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**Author:** ![Tau\_Oneka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tau_oneka/32/12756_2.png) [@Tau\_Oneka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tau_Oneka)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/761 "2017-07-15T07:43:47Z")

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I’m quite enjoying the “waaah you nerfed my overpowered ship that really wasn’t overpowered at all, no honestly that’s why I had 5 alt accounts using them because they weren’t overpowered”.

Especially so when people start to construct obviously fake logic and reasoning.

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**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/762 "2017-07-15T08:01:41Z")

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overpowered where

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**Author:** ![Tau\_Oneka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tau_oneka/32/12756_2.png) [@Tau\_Oneka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tau_Oneka)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/763 "2017-07-15T08:07:04Z")

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Ratting: ship type of choice  
WH: ship type of choice  
fleets: doctrine of choice in many situations  
missions: lots of people use them  
smaller gangs: ship type of choice in many situations

If you can’t see that you’re delusional but then we’re used to that from you, by now.

The really funny bit is that all of them got quite a bit more powerful in one specific setting and play style but that’s not what the masses do because it doesn’t involve grinding PVE or large lol fleets. And that is why threads like this are full of whining: masses who just face roll through EVE.

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**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/764 "2017-07-15T08:19:28Z")

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yeah full of crap like i thought  
t3cs havent been op in years  
not since the hm nerf tbh

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**Author:** ![Tau\_Oneka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tau_oneka/32/12756_2.png) [@Tau\_Oneka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tau_Oneka)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/765 "2017-07-15T08:23:53Z")

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So you’re saying you didn’t use them then?

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**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/766 "2017-07-15T08:24:35Z")

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ive used a lot of ships  
does that mean theyre all op

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**Author:** ![Tau\_Oneka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tau_oneka/32/12756_2.png) [@Tau\_Oneka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tau_Oneka)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/767 "2017-07-15T08:27:11Z")

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So if you don’t use them much, as you put it, why do you care what happens to them so much that you spam this thread like mad?

Must be a reason for that, right?

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**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/768 "2017-07-15T08:30:50Z")

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yeah probably  
youre not gonna get anywhere clutching at straws like that though

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**Author:** ![Tau\_Oneka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tau_oneka/32/12756_2.png) [@Tau\_Oneka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tau_Oneka)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/769 "2017-07-15T08:35:30Z")

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really, you’re now at 40+ posts in this \<800 replies thread. that means that 5% of posts here are yours. And you’re suggesting that you’re not whining about how the ships you don’t really use (lol) got nerfed.

You use them a ton, this is why you’re in this thread.  
And you use them a ton for a good reason, which is now nerfed. This is why you’re in this thread.

T3C were silly, too good and too dominant. Now not so much, this is a good thing. And as said for some play styles they have actually become more powerful and while I enjoy that play style I’d say that they’re now a little bit too good for it and I’m ok stating such as I’m not a hypocrite.

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**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/770 "2017-07-15T08:38:08Z")

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lol you are so full of it  
so you just make stuff up about people you dont know  
when you could just read my posts and see for yourself what im on about  
instead you would rather invent your own little story  
and then say im delusional  
you are a waste of time

[quote=“Tau\_Oneka, post:769, topic:8414”]  
I enjoy that play style I’d say that they’re now a little bit too good for it and I’m ok stating such as I’m not a hypocrite.  
[/quote]you are a hypocrite  
you dont enjoy any playstyles  
youre dont even have a kb  
youre not a real person

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**Author:** ![Tau\_Oneka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tau_oneka/32/12756_2.png) [@Tau\_Oneka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tau_Oneka)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/771 "2017-07-15T08:43:46Z")

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It’s a simple fact, you’re splurging all over this thread. Logic says that there must be a good reason for it.

So I’m using facts and logic to indicate that your whining about how bad they are is probably because you use them a lot. Because if you didn’t use them a lot why would you care. And using them a lot comes from them being really good, better than other options, which thus needs nerfing.

Simple logic.

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**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/772 "2017-07-15T08:46:25Z")

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> [@Tau\_Oneka](#):
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> So I’m using facts and logic

by ignoring the facts and making assumptions  
no wonder youre a school janitor

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**Author:** ![Tau\_Oneka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tau_oneka/32/12756_2.png) [@Tau\_Oneka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tau_Oneka)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/773 "2017-07-15T08:51:38Z")

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The fact is that you’re whining in this thread, so are lots of other people. Whining indicates that their beloved ship got nerfed, they love it because it was really good, otherwise they wouldn’t use it and wouldn’t care. QED.

T3C were overpowering in many ways, rather than being versatile which is what their intended role was. Now they’re not overpowering any more and they massively gained in versatility due to rig changes, sub changes, innate ship bonuses and the sub bay.

Doesn’t mean they’re now bad, they’re just not as good as they were which is completely fine. Deal with it.

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