# July Release - Strategic Cruisers **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** july, ships\ **Created:** [July 3, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414 "2017-07-03T11:21:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Yion\_Free](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yion_free/32/4898_2.png) [@Yion\_Free](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yion_Free)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/814 "2017-07-22T01:42:13Z")
thx Scipio Artelius! will have to check it a couple of times a week šŸ˜‰ the top 11-30 would be so interesting because the top 11 are ships ā€œofā€ the elite and the rich šŸ˜œ no offense intended [https://imgur.com/WqIv4c8](https://imgur.com/WqIv4c8) on this list there are many ships for us ā€œnormalā€ pvp folks ^^ but i dont understand the slightest, how he did it and here a different list [https://imgur.com/EG7YTx7](https://imgur.com/EG7YTx7) ---
**Author:** ![Vardec\_Crom](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vardec_crom/32/9336_2.png) [@Vardec\_Crom](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vardec_Crom)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/815 "2017-07-22T07:48:43Z")
Thereā€™s plenty of ships that can run them easily, but there was subsection of exploration players who did nullsec and wormhole daytripping with a T3C, a few different fits, and a trusty mobile depot. It was some of the most fun pvp and pve Iā€™ve ever done in the game. That playstyle was absolutely gutted, and I donā€™t have the energy or time to try and rebuild my EVE life. Itā€™s probably for the best though. ---
**Author:** ![Entity\_Stonadis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/entity_stonadis/32/171775_2.png) [@Entity\_Stonadis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Entity_Stonadis)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/816 "2017-07-22T10:43:29Z")
They need the sp loss to feed their wallets so people will buy more skill injectors, because getting it instantly is totally the same as spending 10+ years training for it, jumping a gate and mwding towards an object is totally the same everyone knows that ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Dior\_Ambraelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dior_ambraelle/32/393685_2.png) [@Dior\_Ambraelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dior_Ambraelle)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/817 "2017-07-22T21:08:51Z")
Okay, should I be able to enter 4/10 sites or not? Because I was able to do a blood site, but couldnā€™t enter a guristas site with the exact same ship. ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/818 "2017-07-22T22:14:25Z")
Was the one you did in low sec perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/819 "2017-07-23T22:41:01Z")
SP loss is in-game way longer than Skill Extractors (which is what CCP is selling, not the Injectors). Also there is nothing wrong with CCP making profit on Skill Extractors. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/820 "2017-07-24T01:54:14Z")
O[quote=ā€œEntity\_Stonadis, post:816, topic:8414, full:trueā€] They need the sp loss to feed their wallets so people will buy more skill injectors, because getting it instantly is totally the same as spending 10+ years training for it, jumping a gate and mwding towards an object is totally the same everyone knows that ā€¦ [/quote] Before skill injectors existed, skill loss existed. The skill loss isnā€™t driven by injectors, itā€™s way older as a mechanic. Additionally, from Fozzie and related by Chance Ravinne from a weekend EVE meet, most people train the skills back (as we always did before) and donā€™t inject: > **[A recap of CCP Fozzie's Q&A session from EVE Northeast -- Refineries, T3Cs,...](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/6p18kk/a_recap_of_ccp_fozzies_qa_session_from_eve/?st=J5HHU6UV&sh=4cf099c9)** > > Hey everyone, I just got back from EVE Northeast! It was a lot of fun and awesome to meet so many people (especially wormhole people) in person.... ---
**Author:** ![Entity\_Stonadis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/entity_stonadis/32/171775_2.png) [@Entity\_Stonadis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Entity_Stonadis)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/821 "2017-07-24T10:32:54Z")
The skill loss was introduced when they released the t3 cruisers, then they removed it, and now it is reintroduced, engage brain module pls. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Lebowski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_lebowski/32/191402_2.png) [@CCP\_Lebowski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/822 "2017-07-24T10:42:08Z")
T3 skill loss wasnā€™t removed, it was in place before this release. ---
**Author:** ![Entity\_Stonadis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/entity_stonadis/32/171775_2.png) [@Entity\_Stonadis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Entity_Stonadis)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/823 "2017-07-24T10:47:56Z")
The skill loss was introduced when they released the t3 cruisers, then they removed it, and now it is reintroduced, engage brain module pls. I also donā€™t think theres anything wrong in ccp making money, if they didnā€™t, we would not have a game to play. I am just grumpy about me spending many many years of paying subscription and training skills, and now that does not mean anything anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Entity\_Stonadis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/entity_stonadis/32/171775_2.png) [@Entity\_Stonadis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Entity_Stonadis)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/824 "2017-07-24T10:52:07Z")
Soā€¦ You telling me that at no point in time we were ever able to die in a t3 cruiser with no skill loss ? ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Lebowski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_lebowski/32/191402_2.png) [@CCP\_Lebowski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/825 "2017-07-24T10:54:33Z")
Tech 3 skill loss has always existed. We removed skill loss from clone grades a few years back, maybe youā€™re thinking of that? ---
**Author:** ![Entity\_Stonadis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/entity_stonadis/32/171775_2.png) [@Entity\_Stonadis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Entity_Stonadis)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/826 "2017-07-24T10:57:18Z")
Nope. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Lebowski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_lebowski/32/191402_2.png) [@CCP\_Lebowski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/827 "2017-07-24T10:58:34Z")
Well then I believe you are wrong my friend! At what point did you experience no skill loss from using a T3? If you could give me any sort of timescale I may be able to investigate. ---
**Author:** ![Wander\_Prian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wander_prian/32/394208_2.png) [@Wander\_Prian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wander_Prian)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/828 "2017-07-24T11:17:05Z")
I think he may be mistaking it being removed to the time when you could jump out of the ship before it was destroyed to skip the loss of the skillpoints (it was a bug). Or mixing it up with Tech 3 -destroyers, which donā€™t have SP-loss. ---
**Author:** ![Entity\_Stonadis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/entity_stonadis/32/171775_2.png) [@Entity\_Stonadis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Entity_Stonadis)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/829 "2017-07-24T11:18:29Z")
Oh I thought you had investigated and this was why you could tell me that it never happened. I also now believe I am wrong, and it is not that important, I will go and hold hands with Galadriel while we diminishā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/830 "2017-07-24T12:12:03Z")
Hm maybe you experienced some bug and didnā€™t lose SP like you should have? CCP better get on investigating šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/831 "2017-07-24T13:30:47Z")
> [@Entity\_Stonadis](#): > > The skill loss was introduced when they released the t3 cruisers, then they removed it, and now it is reintroduced, engage brain module pls. Accusing other people of not engaging their brain when you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about is funny. Completely wrong, but funny. ---
**Author:** ![Nou\_Mene](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nou_mene/32/430666_2.png) [@Nou\_Mene](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nou_Mene)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/832 "2017-07-25T19:35:07Z")
T3C deaths have been ALWAYS tied to losing sp ---
**Author:** ![Kryn\_Aymz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kryn_aymz/32/7696_2.png) [@Kryn\_Aymz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kryn_Aymz)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/833 "2017-07-27T21:47:44Z")
T3Cs are still amazing ships. The fact is they were broken. They still make great hunters for BLOPs fleets. I am sorry if you cant just pop your cyno and swap to your other toons with no Fs given because you have super tank cloaky proteus. I am happy for the changes. T3Cs may not fully be fixed yet so lets keep giving the input to CCP and they will undoubtedly keep this game fun and exciting for everyone. - KRYNZONE [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414.md?page=40) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414.md?page=42)