# July Release - Strategic Cruisers **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** july, ships\ **Created:** [July 3, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414 "2017-07-03T11:21:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![utec\_asmo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utec_asmo/32/5763_2.png) [@utec\_asmo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/utec_asmo)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 2:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/101 "2017-07-04T02:27:48Z")
Is there an (official) sheet listing the transformation of old subsystems into news one (e.g. which old legion offensive sub is gonna be a Support Procesor post-patch)? Some subs are obviously gonna stay the same but many other old ones are condensed into new subs. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/102 "2017-07-04T02:34:08Z")
You mean like the Covops Frigates? ---
**Author:** ![Mhari\_Dson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mhari_dson/32/2400_2.png) [@Mhari\_Dson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mhari_Dson)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 3:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/103 "2017-07-04T03:51:15Z")
Sounds like you missed the CRUISER part of the thread topic. Besides, covops frigs can’t tank their way out of a tutorial mission. ---
**Author:** ![Pflepsen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pflepsen/32/448161_2.png) [@Pflepsen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pflepsen)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/104 "2017-07-04T05:03:51Z")
Who cares what it looks like! If you have any recon T3’s with a cloak you will be neuted out and your paper thin, butter soft tank will melt in 20 seconds! 1 billion ISK instant wreck! The whole concept of active tank ships is garbage! ---
**Author:** ![Pflepsen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pflepsen/32/448161_2.png) [@Pflepsen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pflepsen)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/105 "2017-07-04T05:09:55Z")
I forgot… the only concern you and CCP have is shooting at red houses. ---
**Author:** ![Pflepsen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pflepsen/32/448161_2.png) [@Pflepsen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pflepsen)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/106 "2017-07-04T05:22:49Z")
Completely destroying all recon versions of T3’s for W-Space (What they were designed for) By forcing anything with a cloak to be Active tanked which means instant death in W-Space. All PVP engagements will have heavy neuting involved. But great for shooting red houses and hiding from the “Bad guys” ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/107 "2017-07-04T05:28:53Z")
> [@Mhari\_Dson](#): > > Sounds like you missed the CRUISER part of the thread topic. Sounds like you failed to notice that word isn’t even _in_ the post I responded to. ---
**Author:** ![Pflepsen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pflepsen/32/448161_2.png) [@Pflepsen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pflepsen)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/108 "2017-07-04T05:33:38Z")
This is braking the tip off of every PVP sword and spear in W-Space. And now all my men and resources will be turned towards slaughtering red house shooting monkeys! ---
**Author:** ![Rowells](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rowells/32/141343_2.png) [@Rowells](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rowells)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/109 "2017-07-04T05:59:16Z")
[quote=“Nevyn\_Auscent, post:94, topic:8414”] I thought the lesson had been learnt about ‘balancing by cost’ as being a bad idea with Supers & Titans already. Or was it learnt so long ago that it’s been forgotten. [/quote]Thats balancing by cost _only_. Balance by its literal nature, is a consideration of all factors. Cost is just as valid as the rest of the options so long as you dont rely on it entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Rain6637](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rain6637/32/404316_2.png) [@Rain6637](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rain6637)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/110 "2017-07-04T06:27:06Z")
I just noticed the tag for this thread is YC ---
**Author:** ![Lugia3](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugia3/32/72772_2.png) [@Lugia3](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugia3)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/111 "2017-07-04T06:28:17Z")
Why is the new Loki so ugly? ---
**Author:** ![Rain6637](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rain6637/32/404316_2.png) [@Rain6637](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rain6637)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/112 "2017-07-04T06:28:59Z")
The nose of the Tengu is weird if that makes you feel any better. The material is slightly different from the other Tengu sections, too. ---
**Author:** ![Rek\_Seven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rek_seven/32/281864_2.png) [@Rek\_Seven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rek_Seven)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/113 "2017-07-04T08:10:20Z")
It’s probably a bit late in the game to mentions this but the logistics subsystems should have been given a weapons damage bonus. Currently on TQ I can fit a T3C to do both logistics and damage within a small fleet, for when we have limited numbers or when we are flying a spider tanking setup but now that gameplay has been completely removed. Sure you can use un-bonused reps but with the new design, it’s not worth it. ---
**Author:** ![baltec1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baltec1/32/155461_2.png) [@baltec1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/baltec1)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/114 "2017-07-04T08:45:27Z")
I don’t see why I would want to fly the covert recons or HACs after this change, T3C are still better in every way (there is even less of a reason to fly covert recons after this) ---
**Author:** ![Nexus\_Omni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nexus_omni/32/5740_2.png) [@Nexus\_Omni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nexus_Omni)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/115 "2017-07-04T09:02:57Z")
No neuts are a broken op “weapon system” but ccp still think its ewar and as long as they do they wont change anything. ---
**Author:** ![Blazemonger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blazemonger/32/398448_2.png) [@Blazemonger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blazemonger)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/116 "2017-07-04T09:28:16Z")
@CCP_Fozzie Can you elaborate on why exploration seems to be hit fairly hard? It appears the changes mostly drive aggression and offensive application of the platform while passive use of T3C such as with exploration shows stong degradation in being applicable. Right now, while I can fly a Cloaky/Nullified Tengu into a system, a refit is needed (mostly in space) as having the travel subsystems fitted will prevent me from having a suitable fit to run high end sites such as Superior (and even Standard) Sleeper Caches. On the other hand, being Cloaky/Nullified now does not prevent me from unleashing 1K DPS while having an active tank and being cap stable. The reason for asking is that while for DPS and most other applications where a T3C actually benefits from the changes, for exploration there is no such alternative in other platforms and so there is no choice. The risk/reward in the current state to run high end (data) sites really is not there with at best 15/20% of the hull/fit cost (not counting potential SP loss) to be retrieved from these sites. Especially moving Cloak to Defensive is simply a bad change in this regard. I also lose cap stability which further reduces the incentive to run these sites. ---
**Author:** ![Niart\_Gunn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/niart_gunn/32/5651_2.png) [@Niart\_Gunn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Niart_Gunn)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/117 "2017-07-04T09:48:06Z")
There is no official sheet, but i went through the effort and made one myself. You can find it here: [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n5pwdXY7OVUiRs5t98KuGl27yxdZbcQVJcGXnZ9Oxso/pubhtml#](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n5pwdXY7OVUiRs5t98KuGl27yxdZbcQVJcGXnZ9Oxso/pubhtml#) ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/118 "2017-07-04T10:31:57Z")
I really don’t like the loss of the warp speed bonus from everything _except_ the nullification subs. That seems a bit mean. ---
**Author:** ![Nexus\_Omni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nexus_omni/32/5740_2.png) [@Nexus\_Omni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nexus_Omni)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/119 "2017-07-04T11:18:48Z")
Had a look over this i prittymuch agree id rather see the gravitational capaciter replace the nullification prop but i could like with these changes you suggest. Also the Obfuscation Manifold should be binned the Emergent Locus Analyzer should have been used i just feal they fit better with the design ---
**Author:** ![Agfro\_Er](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agfro_er/32/196685_2.png) [@Agfro\_Er](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agfro_Er)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414/120 "2017-07-04T11:31:47Z")
Was wondering what’s going to happen to existing WH loot and the BPCs that have had datacores and augments applied in their invention? Also, general request for more T3C cargo space to play around with new fits 😉 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/july-release-strategic-cruisers/8414.md?page=7)