# Keep clean the place where do you live! **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [September 7, 2017, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658 "2017-09-07T09:55:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/129 "2017-09-19T15:57:59Z")
> [@Luna\_Hanaya](#): > > Dear trolls, please don’t troll Kim in my thread! > > Make a separate one if you wish. Your “arguments” about her are already stale and bring nothing worth reading. Winds, no. We already have far too many threads dominated by your troika. The IGS needs more of this tripe like it needs a hole in the head. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/130 "2017-09-19T16:01:22Z")
And another minion heard from, attempting to protect She Who Must Not Have Brains™. ---
**Author:** ![Ria\_Nieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ria_nieyli/32/447728_2.png) [@Ria\_Nieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ria_Nieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/131 "2017-09-19T16:09:23Z")
Well, as an aside, keeping the place clean is nigh impossible. Reading recent threads, there is one overarching theme. People are tired of it and go live elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Mika\_Firestorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mika_firestorm/32/302753_2.png) [@Mika\_Firestorm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mika_Firestorm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/132 "2017-09-19T16:10:35Z")
> [@Makoto\_Priano](#): > > When you insult us, call us trolls, and seem to hold Kim largely blameless, bias matters. Want to hear a solution? 🥁 Don’t troll if you don’t want to be called a troll. > [@Makoto\_Priano](#): > > If someone from IKAME were to come out from nowhere and speak in support of me, would you accept it without comment and question? Generally? I don’t care who will support you, where and in what. If they will start trolling, I’ll probably just call them for that though. Or you are making an argument I should consider them being on your payroll? Quite a possible situation if they will support you in some cases where you was clearly wrong (like your with Kim’s dispute). While I myself might stand on Kim’s side, I never stand on her side when she’s wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/133 "2017-09-19T16:29:33Z")
> [@Mika\_Firestorm](#): > > Or you are making an argument I should consider them being on your payroll? Quite a possible situation if they will support you in some cases where you was clearly wrong (like your with Kim’s dispute). > > While I myself might stand on Kim’s side, I never stand on her side when she’s wrong. Ah! So, you’ve argued with her about Heth’s being a criminal? About her harboring Templis Dragonaur terrorists? About that, yes, firing on StaPro pilots was a criminal act, even if she tries to argue otherwise? (well, not that I’d expect you to disagree with that, seeing as you showed up and helped her!) What about her disavowal of CEP policies and dictates? Or her insults toward duly-accredited megacorporations? Or her constant insults towards Matari? Or her desire for total war? Or her asinine obsession with duels, an archaic and wasteful practice that does nothing to actually resolve underlying issues? Or do you mostly just tell her to not respond to the trolls, thus disavowing her complicity? ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/134 "2017-09-19T17:14:41Z")
Hmmm. Troll. You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means. ---
**Author:** ![Mika\_Firestorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mika_firestorm/32/302753_2.png) [@Mika\_Firestorm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mika_Firestorm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/135 "2017-09-19T17:15:58Z")
> [@Makoto\_Priano](#): > > Ah! So, you’ve argued with her about Heth’s being a criminal? About her harboring Templis Dragonaur terrorists? About that, yes, firing on StaPro pilots was a criminal act, even if she tries to argue otherwise? (well, not that I’d expect you to disagree with that, seeing as you showed up and helped her!) As for Heth, I think I put my own thought about him somewhere… Somewhere somewhere. I am not sure I talked with her about him. She’s a bit too sensitive about that particular topic. I might talk about Heth, but I really don’t want to argue with her about him, it might get too heated and passionate too fast, I’ll prefer a bit calmer discussion. I’d also prefer to avoid discussion about Heth with those, who will yell “OMG OMG HE’S A CRIMINAL, OMG!” It’s a complex topic and dragging him into being both “ideal” or “villain” is pretty bad. I won’t stay on her side in this discussion, I have my own opinion and I’ll hold to that. Saying she’s harboring Templis Dragonaurs though is extremely wrong, inaccurate and, i’d say, it is a straightforward **TROLLING**. She has made a public statement somewhere that she kicked them all out. I do not support dragonaurs, and I support her decision to kick them out. Firint on StatePro pilots? Yea, she asks me to do that sometimes. I think last time it was some sort of FDU spy or something like that. I trust her decisions in that, I myself know only couple of “bad” guys in StPro, like “Warp to Sujarento”, or how was it called. Without her when I simply defend a site in my curse, I don’t agress Protectorate pilots, and if they agress me, I suck them dry and tell Im friendly without killing them. > [@Makoto\_Priano](#): > > What about her disavowal of CEP policies and dictates? Or her insults toward duly-accredited megacorporations? Or her constant insults towards Matari? Or her desire for total war? Or her asinine obsession with duels, an archaic and wasteful practice that does nothing to actually resolve underlying issues? I don’t know a lot about CEP policies and can’t comment on that, though as I heard, to be under CEP policy you have to be megacorporate CEO or CEP employee. It’s not really in my competence to agree or disagree with these things. I do not support any insults towards megacorporations, or whole factions. Well, maybe except Black Eagles and Sansha Nation. Feel free to insult them, yep. And I don’t like how she talks about Matari (or Gallente… especially when she calls me Gallente, but I hope that is way in the past already…) And I don’t like the idea of total war, though I’ve read her reasoning towards it - and they sounded logical. I won’t make any decision on that though, a bit too desputable question to say if it will be right or wrong. She might believe that total war will cause less people to die. I have a feeling that it will cause more people to die. But I won’t insist and claim that only my position is right in that, I am neither God nor can foresee things. I didn’t even finish any war academies like she did, I know nothing about strategy and tactics, I can only heal people, play holo-games and fly some derp ships, so, I’ll better stay out of it. And I completely disapprove her desire to duel people just because they troll her. Sometimes it feels she just wants to hurt herself, and if I would be a bit more powerful, I’d tie her to a bed. However, I might speak up in her defense regarding duels when I see someone pulling on her unfair demands. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/136 "2017-09-19T17:20:04Z")
> [@Makoto\_Priano](#): > > Or her asinine obsession with duels, an archaic and wasteful practice that does nothing to actually resolve underlying issues? Without actually disagreeing, indulging her on this point is actually a pretty good way to ease tensions. It’s not quite so wasteful when pseudo-immortals like us do it, either, at least face to face. Might be a bit more so with ships, especially crewed ships. ---
**Author:** ![Mika\_Firestorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mika_firestorm/32/302753_2.png) [@Mika\_Firestorm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mika_Firestorm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/137 "2017-09-19T17:22:58Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > Without actually disagreeing, indulging her on this point is actually a pretty good way to ease tensions. It’s not quite so wasteful when pseudo-immortals like us do it, either, at least face to face. Might be a bit more so with ships, especially crewed ships. Can you just do some, I don’t know… pillow fights? Helps to ease tensions as well. I really hate seeing how people hurt each other. 😟 ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/138 "2017-09-19T18:48:16Z")
Their is no record created from pillow fights, there is no real loss for the loser, material or pride. ---
**Author:** ![Mika\_Firestorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mika_firestorm/32/302753_2.png) [@Mika\_Firestorm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mika_Firestorm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/139 "2017-09-19T18:52:19Z")
> [@Deitra\_Vess](#): > > Their is no record created from pillow fights, there is no real loss for the loser, material or pride. Will you, a famous combat pilot, keep your pride, if I, a silly doctor, will whack you down with a pillow into submission? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/140 "2017-09-19T18:58:10Z")
… wow you guys turn this place into arse cancer, don’t you? I mean, I’m a shitposter, but this is just… wow. ---
**Author:** ![Ria\_Nieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ria_nieyli/32/447728_2.png) [@Ria\_Nieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ria_Nieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/141 "2017-09-19T19:04:09Z")
These new forums are conductive towards that kind of thing, it seems. Also, down with this sort of thing. I shall also make a pilgrimage towards BBTB and learn to goodpost. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/142 "2017-09-19T19:24:09Z")
Well, I wouldn’t consider myself a famous combat pilot, relatively competent maybe but would it bother me? Ya, probably would. Would I consider it noteworthy enough to make note of, with it being something i do not particularly pride myself in doing as a profession? Nope, probably not honestly. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/143 "2017-09-20T07:58:11Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > indulging her on this point is actually a pretty good way to ease tensions. It’s called pandering. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/144 "2017-09-20T09:30:33Z")
> These new forums are conductive towards that kind of thing, it seems What’s that expression about workers and tools? The existence of a format of communication does not force people to blast an unrelenting barrage of garbage through it simply _because_ it exists. If people wanted to make this a civil, interesting, house of discussion they certainly could. But they don’t because it’s easier to talk trash and blame each other and the setting for the low quality of debate. 💩 ---
**Author:** ![Ria\_Nieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ria_nieyli/32/447728_2.png) [@Ria\_Nieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ria_Nieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/145 "2017-09-20T13:19:40Z")
Fair enough, but I’d like to present a rebuttal: there’s no ignore functionality, so you get inundated with a lot of questionable content you’d be otherwise skipping and it eventually causes a drop. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/146 "2017-09-20T13:25:54Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > It’s called pandering. I guess, but, if so, it’s maybe a weird kind. I spilled her intestines. She opened my neck. I passed out first. It was an awful mess. Sincerity: proved, to her satisfaction anyway. Things have been a little more polite, since. I can’t feel too bad about pandering like that. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/147 "2017-09-20T14:00:17Z")
Well, I tend to be more pleasant to those who offer me chocolate and oral pleasure. I’m fairly certain you’d decline to indulge in those to win politeness from me and yet you’ll indulge Diana in her violent rituals to obtain what passes for her respect. It seems an odd choice. If the only way to win respect from someone is to spill blood I’m fairly certain I don’t need their respect. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658/148 "2017-09-20T15:04:17Z")
Sometimes pragmatic calculation (I really didn’t need her haunting me like poor Ms. Priano) and a visceral desire to hurt somebody both point the same way. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keep-clean-the-place-where-do-you-live/22658.md?page=8)