# Keeping PvE players in EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 13, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455 "2021-04-13T21:53:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/191 "2021-04-21T17:38:19Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > read nonsense of course they can read dummy they need to read to start a flame war in the forums , this is not coms ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/192 "2021-04-21T17:44:15Z")
Thank you for providing a textbook example of what I was saying. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/193 "2021-04-21T17:45:41Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > textbook this is the EVE online forums not school nerd ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/194 "2021-04-21T17:58:40Z")
CCP needs to release a Mr Epeen counter so we know how many damn times he has posted that stupid sunglasses face. How many years now? The people deserve a tally. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/195 "2021-04-21T20:48:12Z")
> [@Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](#): > > I cannot do industry because someone else is taking all the minerals excuse is just that, an excuse. Nobody has said that. PvP players don’t do industry because low-skill PvE players have devalued their own activities so thoroughly that there’s no point. It’s more profitable to gank the PvE players and take their stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/196 "2021-04-21T21:00:45Z")
> [@Reibagegar\_Garemoko](#): > > An example of why a PvE player might leave EVE early… See, the problem is you think this is a bad thing. It’s a good thing, players who do not match the intended use of the game just complain and ask for things they can’t have. Eventually they leave in a huff and bad mouth the game when in fact it was their own fault: _Everyone knows EVE is a PvP game but PVE only players come anyway, not sure why. In any case it was their mistake and finding out EVE really is a PvP game the hard way is not the games fault._ ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/197 "2021-04-21T21:11:08Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > players who do not match the intended use of the game just complain and ask for things they can’t have. I’m sensing some serious tribalist bias here. I’ve seen the same players complaining about the same stuff for up to 15 years in some cases. But they’re still here. According to your narrative, they should have left long ago since they are are not suited to the game. Maybe you could clarify your position. Without the partisan conspiracy crap. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/198 "2021-04-21T21:17:51Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > I’m sensing Looks like you senses failed you. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/199 "2021-04-21T21:52:11Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Eventually they leave in a huff and bad mouth the game when in fact it was their own fault If a bunch of people try out a game and leave in a huff it IS the game’s fault. Stop blaming others for your inability to expand on this concept. You will only gain something out of the discourse if you’re capable of expanding your mind. Yes eve has pvp elements. Is it a pvp game only? You , apparently, and a ever diminishing crowd seem to think so. ---
**Author:** ![Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xiombarg_ohmsford/32/172425_2.png) [@Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xiombarg_Ohmsford)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/200 "2021-04-21T22:00:46Z")
As a nearly ten-year bitter PvE vet, one would say you may have something there. Back then the thought of instanced PvP would have created a ■■■■ storm, but hey, here we are. Patience is definitely a virtue. One hopes ten years from now i’ll be able to rent a system straight from CCP and leave out the middle man xD 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Hidden\_Markov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hidden_markov/32/260260_2.png) [@Hidden\_Markov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hidden_Markov)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/201 "2021-04-21T23:07:43Z")
> [@Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](#): > > Back then the thought of instanced PvP would have created a ■■■■ storm, but hey, here we are. Even 10 years ago I liked the idea. But yeah many people hated the concept. What about my open world!!!.. YOu mean the open world of N+1? See gate cap of 5…clear the camp or die trying. Maybe if really good and they are really bad you can win this. Or bring 9 more more friends to now have 10 to 5 in your favor. So this setup was nice to see imo. ---
**Author:** ![zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zazzmatazz_xu/32/451037_2.png) [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zazzmatazz_Xu)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/202 "2021-04-21T23:24:20Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > EVE doesn’t need “PvE players” This is some extreme narrow thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/203 "2021-04-21T23:32:39Z")
> [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](#): > > This is some extreme narrow thinking It really isn’t. Self-identified “PvE” players add nothing to the game outside of being floating loot crates to prey on, and even then they’ll whine and cry and dock up permanently if they think there’s any meaningful chance of PvP happening. ---
**Author:** ![Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xiombarg_ohmsford/32/172425_2.png) [@Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xiombarg_Ohmsford)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/204 "2021-04-21T23:35:42Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > It really isn’t. Self-identified “PvE” players add nothing to the game outside of being floating loot crates to prey on, and even then they’ll whine and cry and dock up permanently if they think there’s any meaningful chance of PvP happening. This floating loot crate docks for no one, just want to make that abundantly clear. Being hunted and getting away with it brings a big fat smile to my face. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/205 "2021-04-21T23:52:29Z")
> [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](#): > > > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > > > EVE doesn’t need “PvE players” > > This is some extreme narrow thinking. Not at all. We’re trying to run a pretty tight ship around here, and don’t need a bunch of incompetents who can’t deliver a gravy boat of lamb sauce without burning off their fingers and complaining about the heat in the kitchen. Purely-PvE players are the lowest common denominator demographic that forces CCP to bring the gameplay down to their level at the expense of _everyone_ else. Without these players bitching and moaning about how difficult EVE is and how all the “sociopaths” are making it impossible for them to grind ISK for eighteen hours a day, the game might actually start growing again from favorable word-of-mouth marketing from its remaining players. Do us a favor, yeah? https://www.youtube.com/embed/tokmMOCerww?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zazzmatazz_xu/32/451037_2.png) [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zazzmatazz_Xu)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/206 "2021-04-21T23:57:08Z")
Pretty much how eve posts go [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/b/a/ebafc4268cd53dea25ad2b988c50963987d3e06e.jpeg "Jambo The Hairless Chimp In A Huge Brawl Which Caused More Injuries") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-lJo9qkdIY) ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/207 "2021-04-21T23:58:35Z")
> [@Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](#): > > This floating loot crate docks for no one, just want to make that abundantly clear. Being hunted and getting away with it brings a big fat smile to my face. I think it is important to highlight the difference between “players who do PvE” and “PvE players”. Many people do PvE activities while fully accepting that EVE is a PvP game and they will have to engage in PvP (even if only in the form of evading a PvP attacker) at some point. The issue here is the self-identified PvE players who think that because they have declared themselves to be PvE players they’re entitled to opt out of PvP and have CCP remove (or at least minimize) all potential PvP threats. And clearly you are not in that category. ---
**Author:** ![Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xiombarg_ohmsford/32/172425_2.png) [@Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xiombarg_Ohmsford)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2021, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/208 "2021-04-22T00:06:25Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > The issue here is the self-identified PvE players who think that because they have declared themselves to be PvE players they’re entitled to opt out of PvP and have CCP remove (or at least minimize) all potential PvP threats I’d say that attitude comes from newbro’s who have worked their balls off to get the first ship usually mining get ganked and lose everything before they can walk, mission runners I interact with don’t have that mindset, and are quite happy to face the challenges Eve throws at them everyday. Going of on a tangent the biggest alliance is supposedly now in highsec supplanting Goonswarm a fun fact that was talked about on TIS. So high-sec pop is growing. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2021, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/209 "2021-04-22T00:10:46Z")
Uh oh. Merin is in the house. Anyone want to get in on the post pool? I say 27 Merin posts in the next 36 minutes. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2021, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/210 "2021-04-22T00:10:48Z")
> [@Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](#): > > I’d say that attitude comes from newbro’s who have worked their balls off to get the first ship usually mining get ganked and lose everything before they can walk, mission runners I interact with don’t have that mindset, and are quite happy to face the challenges Eve throws at them everyday In my experience, and certainly on the forums, it’s the exact opposite. Newbies only fly cheap stuff and aren’t starting from the assumption that they have the ability to opt out of PvP. Yeah, some will quit over their first loss but they tend to quit silently and not stay in the game lobbying for more safety. The loudest anti-PvP voices are either: 1. Veteran players who have figured out optimized farming systems, calculated the theoretical maximum ISK per hour they can make, and decided that because they can beat the NPCs they’re entitled to do it for as many hours per day as they want without any interference. or 1. Veteran players who pack billions of ISK into a massively overkill farming or hauling ship, lose it in a stupid way, and then come to the forums to rage and demand nerfs to everything but their own stupidity. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455.md?page=11)