# Keeping PvE players in EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 13, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455 "2021-04-13T21:53:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![harelys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harelys/32/267586_2.png) [@harelys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/harelys)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/272 "2021-04-24T13:55:28Z")
> [@Reibagegar\_Garemoko](#): > > Player Background (first post, never used forums when eve was subscription only) > > Returned to eve after unsubing many years ago. Played mostly mimitar. Never got into the PvP content nor went into null sec. Got only so far as the destroyer, thrasher in ships. Planetary interactions were not in the game and CCP was its own company. > > I cannot honestly remember why I left eve online, maybe because I didn’t have the time to afford the subscription service? I was also playing more planetside 1, prior BFRs patch. > > First and foremost, PvP in EVE online is unique compared to a lot of MMO;s out on the market. It is an important part of the EVE gameplay and history. It should never leave EVE and if more people want PvE only content another server should be hosted by CCP. It is not a good idea to take enjoyment people have from PvP because I am, or other people are a focus PvE playstyle. > > It is very important to me that everyone reading the post keep this context in mind. Again, It is not a good idea to take enjoyment people have from PvP (or any content people are enjoying) because I am, or other people are a focus PvE playstyle. > > An example of why a PvE player might leave EVE early… > > So I buy a battlecruiser that is 200+ Mill ISK. Their is not a lot of them around, so the PvP players in a corp, rightfully so, could camp the jumpgate to track and destroy the cruiser. They could also ransom the pilot for the cruiser. They would get good salvage for this in the process too. This is a valid gameplay mechanic and it is right in eve. This also though make the PvE player not want to return to eve because suddenly they lost their rare BC (battlecruiser) to other pilots and the larger corp or fleet. The common response would be, “Join a Corp”, but that does not help everyone working 2 jobs in the real world or working most of their time. Most people that have a busy life, with work and other real life responsibilities don’t have time to be part of a large corp. The BC object lost can be replaced by another object of the same value. > > To summerize… > > **This again is fine in EVE** , _but_ **if EVE wants to keep PvE centric players in the game, it needs to have a different server that is only PvE.** This prevents situations like the one mentioned above from happening, as long as the player knows what PvE hostiles are in the area. If it were me, and they told me each server cost $10 USD, I would just pay for the PvE server access and be fine, as long as my PvP characters were transferred over. IF anyone wants to keep playing the PvP server put it at the same Price $10. Then they could do a combo deal for $18 for both PvP and PvE server access. > > This post if not to say PvP is better than PvE or PvE is better than PvP. It is only mean’t to illustrate a point in EVE, a mechanic that PvE player will end up leaving because of it. PvP pilots belong in EVE with its long history of PvP, just make a different server for people that are PvE focused. Instead of balancing the game for PvE and PvP, it could be specialized for both (per server), which is a Win, Win for everyone, PvP pilots and PvE pilots. > > Thank you for reading… this would become way unbalanced and there would be no point in having a pvp system because the way that eve is designed it would not function correctly without the pvp mixed with the pve. ---
**Author:** ![TrueDark\_Masta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/truedark_masta/32/303746_2.png) [@TrueDark\_Masta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TrueDark_Masta)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/273 "2021-04-24T16:07:57Z")
There no need for other PvE only server. We have switch that can prevent you from pvp with another player. You know, it is that green light staff. So we just need the same switch to turn off ability of another player PVP with you. Right? And everything will be nice. 🥰 ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/274 "2021-04-24T16:39:15Z")
> [@TrueDark\_Masta](#): > > Right? Wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/275 "2021-04-24T17:30:16Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/e/3e2860c48cad0f4c7d6b151e9dc838c4280ccff4.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xiombarg_ohmsford/32/172425_2.png) [@Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xiombarg_Ohmsford)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/276 "2021-04-24T18:48:59Z")
The Bulls are gankers. The Toyota is a Catalyst. The sheep are pve’ers. The cattle grid is concord. The cows are wanting to double their isk. Enjoy [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/5/3/f53658a10a651d6ae92f50f1c9f1dff7383b6e11.jpeg "Toyota Hilux Bulls") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u70DwS2FMw) ---
**Author:** ![Mesacc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mesacc/32/173151_2.png) [@Mesacc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mesacc)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/277 "2021-04-24T20:49:15Z")
I played from 2005 until around 2018 and despite what the current playerbase will say on the matter, EVE was designed to be both PvP and PvE and it handled it better than any other mixed game I have seen. With the exception of wars, for the most part, PvP stayed in Low sec. Players who wanted PvP lived in low, and highsec’ers were free to run missions and mine to their hearts content. High clone costs and loss of skills upon death is what kept it in balance. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/278 "2021-04-24T21:10:42Z")
> [@Mesacc](#): > > With the exception of wars, for the most part, PvP stayed in Low sec. Players who wanted PvP lived in low, and highsec’ers were free to run missions and mine to their hearts content. Absolutely false. You’re merely imagining the history in which you want to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Mesacc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mesacc/32/173151_2.png) [@Mesacc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mesacc)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/279 "2021-04-24T21:40:16Z")
Or, just maybe, your imagining the history you want to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Zane\_Carbin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zane_carbin/32/281983_2.png) [@Zane\_Carbin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zane_Carbin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/280 "2021-04-24T21:42:14Z")
> [@Mesacc](#): > > Players who wanted PvP lived in low, and highsec’ers were free to run missions and mine to their hearts content. Ganking, can flipping, mission busting, solo/small group wardecs, extortion etc etc etc. Lots and lots of that happened back then. ---
**Author:** ![Mesacc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mesacc/32/173151_2.png) [@Mesacc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mesacc)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/281 "2021-04-24T21:44:48Z")
I didn’t say it didn’t. I said for the most part. Maybe it didn’t seem like a big deal because I was smart enough to know what to look out for but it was never a problem for me. ---
**Author:** ![Zane\_Carbin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zane_carbin/32/281983_2.png) [@Zane\_Carbin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zane_Carbin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/282 "2021-04-24T21:49:51Z")
I would say that if you were smart enough to not have that happen to you back then, you’d know exactly what the “problem” was, even 10 years later. ---
**Author:** ![Mesacc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mesacc/32/173151_2.png) [@Mesacc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mesacc)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/283 "2021-04-24T21:54:08Z")
The “problem” is what I said in my original post that no one bothers to quote because it doesn’t fit the “EVE IS PVP!!” agenda… The thing that kept it in check was removed. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/284 "2021-04-24T22:16:22Z")
> [@Mesacc](#): > > Or, just maybe, your imagining the history you want to believe. As someone who’s actually spent some time being a -10 low-sec gate camper during EVE’s first decade, and spent well over a decade of active gameplay being a high-sec mercenary as early as during the Privateers era, I’m telling you that you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/285 "2021-04-24T22:30:29Z")
low sec best sec 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/286 "2021-04-24T22:42:11Z")
Want to join a Null raiding fleet? Start figuring that out? ---
**Author:** ![Mesacc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mesacc/32/173151_2.png) [@Mesacc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mesacc)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/287 "2021-04-24T22:47:13Z")
I will repeat myself… I didn’t say PvP didn’t happen in High. I said for the most part. Sure PvPers had their tricks…war decs, can flipping, ect… to lure unsuspecting players. Compared to the game wide gankage that happens now without the checks and balances I mentioned it surely was the way I remember. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/288 "2021-04-24T22:51:16Z")
> [@Mesacc](#): > > The thing that kept it in check was removed. Um, no. High clone costs did not “keep PvP in check” because hardly anyone ever lost pods in highsec. With no bubbles to catch them pods were (and still are) effectively invulnerable. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/289 "2021-04-24T22:51:28Z")
i like to suspect bait in HS, but i live in low, don’t like the null life at all , my experience is being in a big alliance , nothing wrong wit it but i didn’t like to rat so i don’t , i didn’t like to mine in big ships/fleets so i don’t, i bought a dread just to undock and be with the cool kids but never really use it ,i dit the minimum amount o fleets possible to get papis and don’t be kicked , like really the minimum , i ended mining gas in a frig to pay my bills and doing some low scale pvp that is more suited to low sec, wen i left i thought im going to live in low and that was a long time ago , low is my favorite sec by far , you get more fights and the pilots have a nice culture of PVP ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/290 "2021-04-24T22:55:01Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > They don’t. It is fundamentally opposite to what eve is meant to be. Then why is there so much of it in every single system? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/291 "2021-04-24T23:00:27Z")
> [@Fale\_Einn](#): > > Then why is there so much of it in every single system Because you don’t understand the difference between “players who do PvE” and “PvE players”. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455.md?page=15)