# Keeping PvE players in EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 13, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455 "2021-04-13T21:53:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/313 "2021-04-24T23:59:14Z")
> [@Fale\_Einn](#): > > I think they should add PvP to the new player experience, like add it to the tutorial and add a career agent mission set. I’ve been making this exact recommendation for a very long time now. ---
**Author:** ![Mesacc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mesacc/32/173151_2.png) [@Mesacc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mesacc)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/314 "2021-04-25T00:00:29Z")
Aww did I strike a nerve? What are you so worried about? It’s not like they are gonna change the game at this point… Your future in ganking is secure don’t worry! ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/315 "2021-04-25T00:06:47Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > What, Burn Jita? It has been a regular event. (not sure about the last couple of years, I’ve been out of touch) I haven’t seen it since its inception. It just doesn’t seem to have much impact? ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/316 "2021-04-25T00:11:29Z")
Not long ago I saw someone who is always in Rookie Chat helping people, I forget now who it was, but they said something like that to one of the CCP people in here. It was something to the effect of “you need to listen to the people sitting in Rookie Chat year after year who are telling you they are asked the same questions over and over” they got no response. He felt like he was beating his head against a wall. I’ve seen it in there, the same missions fail because of the same bugs relentlessly and they have to say (or paste) the same answer every single time. The last time CCP changed the new user experience j made a new character to see if it had improved, it hadn’t, they made it worse. The first thing they did was make it so that if you interrupted the tutorial at any point it stopped and then you had to file a support ticket to get it reset. This blew my mind. The sheer stupidity was staggering. If that had happend when I was actually new I would have never finished the tutorial at all. That alt is now rotting away with five million skill points and has never done anything other than fail the tutorial… She’s pretty though, I put some effort into that part. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/317 "2021-04-25T00:12:25Z")
I’ve never seen it, and I would love to. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/318 "2021-04-25T00:13:36Z")
I think people underestimate game time. For anything to have any impact at all it probably has to be a weekly occurrence. Ganking is a daily occurrence and has almost no impact. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/319 "2021-04-25T01:25:54Z")
> [@Fale\_Einn](#): > > CPP put PvE stuff in Eve deliberately it wasn’t an accident, PvP benefits from this fact in all sorts of ways. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Because you don’t understand the difference between “players who do PvE” and “PvE players”. 5 characters. ---
**Author:** ![Hidden\_Markov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hidden_markov/32/260260_2.png) [@Hidden\_Markov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hidden_Markov)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/320 "2021-04-25T01:42:48Z")
Yep. And many with alts limited sp on them to be cheap clones. When this char was in 0.0 I made a few empire pve alts. Purpose built to cut costs. My hauler was a very cheap date back in the day. Transport skills, tank skills and eventually freighter. End list. Tank skills to dies less easy and end list. Doing the null/low sec hand offs for supplies in transport she might go boom once in while. Her clone much cheaper this char over 150 mil at the time. And today I make cheap alts. I have char on a second account the biggest ships she will fly is Loki/prowler. Tank and weapons skills for that…done. Less than 20 mil give or take when done…and sealed. ---
**Author:** ![TrueDark\_Masta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/truedark_masta/32/303746_2.png) [@TrueDark\_Masta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TrueDark_Masta)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/321 "2021-04-25T09:38:24Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Wrong Right. If the majority of players want it, it is right. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/322 "2021-04-25T09:54:43Z")
Do you believe the customer is always right? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/323 "2021-04-25T10:52:34Z")
> [@Fale\_Einn](#): > > Then why is there so much of it in every single system? OP is talking about players that don’t want to be exposed to pvp. ---
**Author:** ![TrueDark\_Masta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/truedark_masta/32/303746_2.png) [@TrueDark\_Masta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TrueDark_Masta)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/324 "2021-04-25T12:10:06Z")
Sure they are ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/325 "2021-04-25T12:22:40Z")
Yeah, based on that misconception, have to disagree with you. Successful companies dont believe that. They do what they want and tell you its what you want. The public’s opinion is not something anyone with sense uses as a litmus. ---
**Author:** ![TrueDark\_Masta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/truedark_masta/32/303746_2.png) [@TrueDark\_Masta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TrueDark_Masta)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/326 "2021-04-25T12:30:23Z")
Don’t catch your idea. But everybody needs that PVP switch. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/327 "2021-04-25T12:40:37Z")
> [@TrueDark\_Masta](#): > > But everybody needs that PVP switch You can’t just opt out of PvP, it’s intrinsically linked with 99% of the activities that are considered to be PvE. I seriously doubt that you realise the implications of such a thing being possible. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/328 "2021-04-25T12:42:26Z")
> [@TrueDark\_Masta](#): > > Don’t catch your idea. But everybody needs that PVP switch. The ‘opt out of PvP switch’ already exists. It’s the _log out_ button. ---
**Author:** ![TrueDark\_Masta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/truedark_masta/32/303746_2.png) [@TrueDark\_Masta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TrueDark_Masta)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/329 "2021-04-25T12:43:42Z")
Of course, that switch can help you concentrate at things you like. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/330 "2021-04-25T13:05:15Z")
You seem to want the rewards of PvE without any of the stuff that gives those rewards value. I am a PvE player, one that understands why what you want breaks the game; not to mention a lot less fun for those of us that thrive at PvE despite the efforts of PvP players. You’re either a carebear or a troll, either way you make many of us PvE players look bad, get out. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/331 "2021-04-25T13:06:35Z")
I dont. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/332 "2021-04-25T13:46:51Z")
CCP should just turn the entire new eden into a Free for all proving ground. Let them grant the wish of PVPrs.🙏 the gates should be turned into category portal of what kind of ship is allowed. Enough with the lame narrative of pirates. Piracy is not REAL pvp. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455.md?page=17)