# Keeping PvE players in EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 13, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455 "2021-04-13T21:53:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Syn\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_shi/32/242535_2.png) [@Syn\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Shi)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/64 "2021-04-21T01:59:06Z")
If they did that then the self prefessed elite pvp players posting here would have to actually pvp against other players who pvp…that is a big no no for most of the pvp players in eve. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/65 "2021-04-21T02:12:04Z")
> [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > other players who pvp Everyone in EVE does PvP. Some people just do it badly because they’re under the delusion that EVE can be a PvE game. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/66 "2021-04-21T02:35:58Z")
I wouldn’t call High-sec combat outside of possibly FW and war-decs really PvP. gankers are protected by the mechanics of the game up until the point they fire. High-sec mechanics are all wrong for any proper combat PvP. CCP have tried to keep both PvP and PvE players fairly happy, but they’ll never achieve that when they’re on the same playing field as they require different things. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/67 "2021-04-21T02:40:12Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > I wouldn’t call High-sec combat outside of possibly FW and war-decs really PvP. gankers are protected by the mechanics of the game up until the point they fire. Thank you for providing an excellent example of someone who is bad at EVE because they think PvP is some subset of the game instead of EVE’s most basic identity. Gankers have some mechanics protecting them but the other side has mechanics to oppose them. The players who don’t think that PvP begins until someone opens fire are the ones who suck at EVE and lose ships to ganking. > CCP have tried to keep both PvP and PvE players fairly happy, but they’ll never achieve that when they’re on the same playing field as they require different things. Which is perfectly fine. EVE doesn’t need “PvE players” and it’s long overdue that CCP stops pandering to them. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/68 "2021-04-21T02:46:47Z")
I’m aware of what the game is supposed to be. They need to make their mind up which players they are going to cater for. If they are considering just PvP players, I’d suggest changing low and high-sec into NPC null space. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/69 "2021-04-21T02:47:32Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > If they are considering just PvP players, I’d suggest changing low and high-sec into NPC null space. Or not. The current design works just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/70 "2021-04-21T02:55:16Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > NPC null space. HS gankers will just turn into cloacky campers.😄 ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/71 "2021-04-21T02:57:35Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Thank you for providing an excellent example of someone who is bad at EVE because they think… And this is why we can’t have open and honest discussions right here. There is probably half a dozen ways the same thing could have been written with a helluva lot more tact and sensitivity, but nope. Just go straight for “You suck at EVE” and then wonder why tempers might flare. Something like “Those who don’t understand that EVE is ALWAYS a PVP game and only sometimes also a PVE game are doomed to play this game poorly” might have gained some traction. But nope. Go straight for the testicles and then wonder why people got defensive. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/72 "2021-04-21T02:58:07Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Whining. Post your lossmail, miner. ---
**Author:** ![Hidden\_Markov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hidden_markov/32/260260_2.png) [@Hidden\_Markov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hidden_Markov)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/73 "2021-04-21T02:58:44Z")
And jita all gates bubbled up to make 1dq look like an ice cream social. At least I imagine 1dq is bubble city at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/74 "2021-04-21T03:00:08Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Post your lossmail, miner. Another fine example of how to derail discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/75 "2021-04-21T03:02:58Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Inane whining about politeness instead of the topic. > [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Another fine example of how to derail discussion. You’re right, your words are an excellent example. Now can you return to the actual topic, which is why CCP should stop caring about “PvE players” who add nothing to EVE? ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/76 "2021-04-21T03:19:12Z")
I propose to keep PVE’ers in the game we provide them this safe space to play in, far away from PVPers. We can call this place Care Bears. It can have some mechanism like … i dunno. Security status ratings? The higher the rating the safer the space. We can make it safer by people with low standings being blasted out of the sky by hmm, turrets? Wait no! We can have police ships that warp in on them and destroy them. Very cool role-playing ability there too. AND! If someone attacks you, the police swoop in like a bird and vaporize them. We can call them … hmm. Raptors? No too malicious… Eagles…yeah. Eagles swoop in with blue/red lights and pew pew the baddies in these High points security zones for carebears. Sounds good to me. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/77 "2021-04-21T03:22:24Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > They need to make their mind up which players they are going to cater for. Its an interesting point. Balancing PVP alongside PVE is tricky at best, and impossible at worst. On the other hand, EVE has stood the test of time so what is the definition of success here? Well I think CCP’s definition is going to be profits, which depend on a stable, or better yet, expanding player base. If most players are shying away from PVP then CCP will likely lean toward PVE…unless they think PVP adds to the excitement of PVE…unless they think PVE players disagree strongly enough to quit…even if those PVE players are wrong even about their own excitement. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/78 "2021-04-21T03:32:39Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > PVE’ers in the game we provide them this safe space to play in Abyssal space and manufacturing inside an NPC station. Also, most carebears are not in HS but in Null. Null pvp is overrated. The only real pvp is in the proving grounds because you can’t cherry pick your opponent. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/79 "2021-04-21T03:35:53Z")
Neo I sailed around Null and was super disappointed. Not even a bubble in sight ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/80 "2021-04-21T03:46:40Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > The higher the rating the safer the space. This sounds like the theory behind high sec that isn’t really true. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/81 "2021-04-21T03:47:52Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > This sounds like the theory behind high sec that isn’t really true. It’s true enough. Don’t fly anything worth more than a suicide ball is worth. And if you do. Take countermeasures ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/82 "2021-04-21T03:49:59Z")
come to low sec ![ResortAllInclusiveMinasGerais1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/e/2/3e2764743cf9fbed3262b4a2897b77166ead76a8.jpeg) fun ![types-of-beaches-June302020-1-min](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/a/5/1a5ba48b3899a8e49ebaac05c9d012b2b958ac0e.jpeg) nature ![Webp.net-compress-image-11-1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/8/4/88409359957eb2c4d235e67d2f56f4e2ba2b3cc0.jpeg) friends low sec ! all you want and moaaarrrrr ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/83 "2021-04-21T03:50:21Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > This sounds like the theory behind high sec that isn’t really true. It is true if you’re smart enough to understand the difference between safety and loss rate. Highsec is safe because the mechanics discourage aggression. Nullsec is “safe” in the same way that a Mexican standoff is “safe”: everyone could kill each other at any moment without the game doing anything to stop them, but they choose not to as long as everyone else cooperates. It is inherently dangerous space that can have a low loss rate as long as you stay far enough away from anyone who isn’t your ally. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455.md?page=5)