# Keeping PvE players in EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 13, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455 "2021-04-13T21:53:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/84 "2021-04-21T03:51:05Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > everyone could kill each other at any moment without the game doing anything to stop them, I’d like to see them prove it. Buncha pooosays ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/85 "2021-04-21T03:51:52Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > It’s true enough. This is like saying I don’t smack you except for those rare times I do. Sounds like how I imagined the thoughts of my step father and he was probably geniunely proud of himself for not beating my mother all week. High security space is a lie. People are wising up to that a bit? I agree they threaten to make EVE boring by insisting on extra security. But then again, and I have suggested this a million times, if low sec were more accessible it might draw the turtles out of their shells. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/86 "2021-04-21T03:52:50Z")
Yeah but what can anyone do about it? Even WoW couldn’t stop it. Back when WoW began I used to camp and demolish people in their own capital. Good times. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/87 "2021-04-21T03:53:44Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > Yeah but what can anyone do about it? What are you asking and to whom? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/88 "2021-04-21T03:55:02Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > This is like saying I don’t smack you except for those rare times I do. Sounds like how I imagined the thoughts of my step father and he was probably geniunely proud of himself for not beating my mother all week. Yes, this analogy is definitely a proportionate and reasonable response to someone claiming that “high security” is an appropriate name. It goes nicely with your claim that gankers are sociopaths. > High security space is a lie. It isn’t. It’s very safe if you aren’t an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/89 "2021-04-21T03:55:48Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > Don’t fly anything worth more than a suicide ball is worth. That means don’t fly a shuttle, pod, or corvette. Plenty of them on the kill board even from HS. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/90 "2021-04-21T03:56:03Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > What are you asking and to whom? What EVE provides is about as far as you can provide without destroying a game and turning it into a sim city. EVE monitors their player statistics. A true PVE player probably plays EVE as much as people. Play Sim City. Aka…virtually not at all. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/91 "2021-04-21T03:56:48Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > That means don’t fly a shuttle, pod, or corvette. Plenty of them on the kill board even from HS Um most of them are the pirates being podded because they have a 15min kill timer. Or wardec people. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/92 "2021-04-21T03:57:46Z")
I mean I’ll be blunt. I would fly about 400.mil cargo while wardec’d. I would get targeted at times. But I’ve never even been shot at once in high sec. Since…2007. So is this even really an issue? ---
**Author:** ![Aahz\_If](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aahz_if/32/265760_2.png) [@Aahz\_If](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aahz_If)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/93 "2021-04-21T03:58:07Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > definitely a proportionate That’s what your mom said when she had it up the whooohooo. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/94 "2021-04-21T03:58:08Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > It isn’t. It’s very safe if you aren’t an idiot. True high security is safe even for idiots. EVE high security is a lie. It might be “highly patrolled” space, like an American ghetto. But it definitely is NOT high security. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/95 "2021-04-21T03:59:00Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > So is this even really an issue? Because Renly believes that gankers are sociopaths. > [@Aahz\_If](#): > > That’s what your mom said when she had it up the whooohooo. Yes, I know, I was there watching you. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/96 "2021-04-21T03:59:00Z")
It’s safer than LowSec and I’ve barely lost anything in my EvE playing…and I’ve lived in Low Sec for 13 years ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/97 "2021-04-21T03:59:35Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Because Renly believes that gankers are sociopaths My friend cloaks gate camps and pewpews their wrecks from 150km away so they can’t loot their kills. Just for LOLZ So I’d say yes. We are a bit psycho. Just not in the paranoid fantasies kinda way of Carebears ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/98 "2021-04-21T04:00:53Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > True high security is safe even for idiots. Not in a game where the players are immortal demigods commanding space battleships that can obliterate cities with a single shot. “High security” in an EVE context does not mean what it does in a real world context. Also, remember that in EVE losing your ship is not equivalent to murder. It’s more like getting your purse stolen when you aren’t paying attention: a minor financial inconvenience but nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 4:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/99 "2021-04-21T04:02:21Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > But I’ve never even been shot at once in high sec. Never mind your personal experience. Thousands of people play EVE. Look at the killboard. > **[The Forge | Region](https://zkillboard.com/region/10000002/)** > > The Forge: 4,435,794 ships destroyed and 0 ships lost. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 4:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/100 "2021-04-21T04:02:41Z")
True. I can buy 100 asteros with how much I just put in the market cuz I got nothing to do with it. What do I need 100 ass-tears for? ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/101 "2021-04-21T04:03:31Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Never mind your personal experience. Thousands of people play EVE. Look at the killboard What am I looking at? Bunch wardecers? How do I know any of them were pve players? ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 4:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/102 "2021-04-21T04:04:33Z")
The problem is pve can’t pay the bills. That’s the real complaint. Fix that lol ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/103 "2021-04-21T04:05:04Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > “High security” in an EVE context does not mean what it does in a real world context. Yeah, that’s like saying i didn’t extort you, but rather in my context it was “protection money”. High security is an inappropriate name for any EVE system below 0.9. Its misleading. Its a lie. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455.md?page=6)