# Keeping PvE players in EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 13, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455 "2021-04-13T21:53:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/151 "2021-04-21T14:37:46Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > My point is to inform others before they become victims The problem is that you see dead miners as ‘victims’. They aren’t victims. They are playing a PvP videogame, in which they voluntarily consent to be hunted by people. When they get caught, it shouldn’t be any surprise, that’s the game. The other day, I undocked my alt in an expanded cargohold Sigil holding 5 billion isk. Before undocking, I took notice of what gankers were in system (namely, me and my alts) and then proceeded to carefully and prudently warp to my destination. If I had been caught, I would have fully accepted the blame for my own mistake, but I was not caught because I took appropriate precautions and paid myself to not gank me. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/152 "2021-04-21T14:38:45Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > There is no surprise mystery player that appears in a game of human vs. AI chess. There are definitely surprises for unexperienced players in chess where suddenly they lose a piece to a move they didn’t see coming. Similarly, there are no ‘mystery surprise players’ in EVE for experienced players, because experienced players know to _always_ be prepared of players appearing in this PvP game. ---
**Author:** ![Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xiombarg_ohmsford/32/172425_2.png) [@Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xiombarg_Ohmsford)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/153 "2021-04-21T14:39:27Z")
Love doing PVE, but when I undock I expect to get messed with, that’s the nature of Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/154 "2021-04-21T14:41:57Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > When they get caught, it shouldn’t be any surprise, that’s the game. Its not the game. Its a potential part of the game and some people choose to realize that potential. Its the same in life, and that is why EVE is a good lesson. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/155 "2021-04-21T14:42:16Z")
> [@Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](#): > > Love doing PVE, but when I undock I expect to get messed with See, that’s a healthy attitude. Let’s hear no more of this pathetic whining about evil griefers. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/156 "2021-04-21T14:46:32Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Similarly, there are no ‘mystery surprise players’ in EVE for experienced players, because experienced players know to _always_ be prepared of players appearing in this PvP game. Yeah. Lets move the goal post to “experienced players”. And meanwhile lets forget about new and mid level players and experienced players who have their own issues that make them more susceptible to ganks and griefing. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/157 "2021-04-21T14:47:04Z")
Inexperienced players should expect to make mistakes. That’s how they get experience. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/158 "2021-04-21T14:49:18Z")
> [@Hun\_Tra](#): > > There are plenty of PVE spaceship games, go play them. > Elite Dangerous, Astrox Imperium, X4 Foundations… All great games. Clearly sir you forgot the plot of this thread. This discussion is about retention, not inducing EVE players to quit. That said, the effect of ganking on retention is debatable. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/159 "2021-04-21T14:51:12Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Inexperienced players should expect to make mistakes. Ignorance of the sort I am talking about is not a mistake. Its a failure to educate. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/160 "2021-04-21T14:55:07Z")
Renly, if you want to educate newbros. Go ahead and do it. You can join EVE Uni, you can join the Rookie Help channel and hang out with Mike, you can start your own channel, group, twitch, or whatever. Go do it! Stop crying and whining and go DO SOMETHING. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/161 "2021-04-21T15:13:07Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Stop crying and whining and go DO SOMETHING. I AM doing something, right here. Why don’t YOU stop your crying and whining about me doing it here. This is how the forum is played after all. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/162 "2021-04-21T15:13:34Z")
How exactly are you helping new players here? Most of them don’t even know the forums exist. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/163 "2021-04-21T15:16:11Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Gankers often use PVE situations to effect a gank. Its a common tactic. It works. And while we can criticize the victim for not being better prepared, the lion’s share of criticism is rightly directed at the person backstabbing a distracted person for no reason other than greed, griefing and/or seeing a ship explode. HOW DARE THAT GRIEFER TACKLE THE QUARTERBACK WHILE HE IS DISTRACTED BY TRYING TO THROW THE FOOTBALL!!! SACKING IS GRIEFING HONORABLE TACKLES ONLY!!! ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/164 "2021-04-21T15:17:26Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Anyway, there is no rule that people have to attack PVE players. Its not like its part of our character creation to need to do this. Deciding to do this is a personal choice. That’s obvious. Some of this is down to cultural differences, both online and in real life. In some places everything is verboten unless it’s specifically allowed; in others everything is allowed unless it’s specifically verboten. > And while I am glad that people are kicking over sand castles online as opposed to IRL, the list of why people choose that path is short and not complimentary to the chooser in any case. Please enlighten us as to the list of why people kick over sandcastles online, and why that list is not complimentary. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/165 "2021-04-21T15:26:03Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > This situation of a ganker coming into a PVE session is like someone coming from behind you as you are playing a game of computer chess, gets you in an armbar with one arm, and with the other hand puts your queen in a spot where it gets murdered. Then that person declares that you suck at chess. That’s a stupid analogy because there is no such thing as a “PvE session”. There is no private session, anyone engaging in PvE activities is part of the same game as everyone else and if they aren’t aware of a PvP threat it’s only because they suck at EVE and refuse to pay attention to potential threats. The much better analogy is that you’re playing a 2v2 game of chess, focus on one opponent because “HONORABLE CHESS RULES”, and then throw a rage fit when the other opponent takes your queen. The only rule violated was your arbitrary code of honor that nobody is supposed to attack you unless you agree to it. > That’s obvious. And while I am glad that people are kicking over sand castles online as opposed to IRL, the list of why people choose that path is short and not complimentary to the chooser in any case. Finally you drop the weasel words and admit that your “gankers are sociopaths” comment applies to more than just “some gankers”. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/166 "2021-04-21T15:29:53Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > new players I don’t believe in new players. New player in eve maybe but not new player of video games. We know our character can die in a video game. Players quit in this game early because its not for them or their ego was hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/167 "2021-04-21T15:31:20Z")
I wonder if you play Fortnite, and you see someone grinding to get more wood, and you kill them - is that psychopathic sociopath griefer play? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/168 "2021-04-21T15:44:16Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Yeah. Lets move the goal post to “experienced players”. And meanwhile lets forget about new and mid level players and experienced players who have their own issues that make them more susceptible to ganks and griefing. All I meant to say is that a new chess player will get surprised by moves they did not see coming because they were looking elsewhere on the board, just as much as that a new EVE player may get surprised to find a PvP player right next to them while they were focused on something else within the game. An experienced chess player will see most basic tricks coming and knows how to handle them, just like an experienced EVE player knows that PvP can happen during a PvE encounter, and has a plan to deal with it incase it happens. That’s what I meant with ‘experienced players’. I was not aware of any goal posts and it certainly was not my intention to shift any. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/169 "2021-04-21T15:44:24Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > is that psychopathic sociopath griefer play Of course it is. You need to respect the rules of their PvE session and request to have an honorable duel once they have completed their PvE. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/keeping-pve-players-in-eve/305455/170 "2021-04-21T15:44:50Z")
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