# Killing Orca's and other high sec ships **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [April 25, 2020, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493 "2020-04-25T14:41:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Deirdre\_Locke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deirdre_locke/32/193786_2.png) [@Deirdre\_Locke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deirdre_Locke)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2020, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/1 "2020-04-25T14:41:01Z")
Here’s my situation: I’m still fairly new to EVE, started as a miner and ended up in one of those massive corps. The combination of those two almost made me quit. Now a few months down the line I do combat exploration for income, I am skilling up a PVP character for solo zero sec PVP and I have two alpha accounts with different FW characters on it. I’m not really enjoy FW, it’s not the dying (which I do a lot but that is fine), it’s the endless 5v1 or 10+v1 that gets tedious after a while: “Do you REALLY need 7 T3 destroyers to kill this single alpha Thrasher?”. I understand EVE is not fair and that they did it because they could and wanted to, and that I should join a group myself but that’s not a solution for me. I like things to be more… personal. I’ve also tried ganking, just super easy stuff and only a few, while it’s hilarious to see it happen it’s not really the type of “fulfilment” I’m looking for. Then I had a discussion with someone on the forums, I checked him out on the killboard and found that he solo kills orca’s and other big stuff in high security space. Clearly NOT doing suicide ganks, he’s NOT at war but somehow making it happen anyway. So as I’m willing to try out any sort of PVP I sent him a mail asking if he could explain how he does it but after a week or so he still hasn’t responded so here’s my question: **How can you do PVP in high security space without ganking or doing a war dec?** The mechanics, the details, what is needed. Perhaps some (video) guides. Any help is very much appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2020, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/2 "2020-04-25T14:49:11Z")
Make yourself familiar with crimewatch mechanics, and key word “suspect bait”. In highsec outside of wardecs you want to either your victim get suspect (e.g. loot thiefs), or shoot you first while you are suspect (e.g you shot their MTU, stole their stuff). ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2020, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/3 "2020-04-25T19:15:34Z")
I am -10 so freely engageable and fly around in my thrasher, often folk shoot me expecting a quick killmail, something which they often receive :). As Tipa said become familiar with crimewatch mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2020, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/4 "2020-04-25T20:50:43Z")
I suggest reading minerbumping, the most entertaining and amazing blog I’ve ever read. > **[Gamis Double Feature](http://www.minerbumping.com/2016/11/gamis-double-feature.html?m=1)** > > Right on schedule! The latest video from our Gamis friends has been released. YouTube: The Code Is Forever #30 Of course, the only... Especially the gamis feats of the incredible kalorned. His posts will inform you on many ways to fight without wardeccing or ganking. ---
**Author:** ![DragoFire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragofire/32/257926_2.png) [@DragoFire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DragoFire)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2020, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/5 "2020-04-25T21:19:08Z")
If you want fun pvp, maybe look for one of the many ROAM PVP fleet groups. These tend to be a mix of players that join up to fly lowsec or gank CODE gankers. This might be what you’re looking for and could lead to some good contacts in multiple corps. And as most ROAM groups aren’t corp based you don’t need to join a corp just to fly them. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2020, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/6 "2020-04-25T21:39:27Z")
Actually, while you are at it OP, join the Minerbumping channel in game as well. It is a great resource of experienced players to help you get the nuances of highsec PvP. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/7 "2020-04-25T23:21:02Z")
If the 10v1 gets to you… hold on to your beer when you try solo in null. Guys will drop a doomsday just to pop a frigate. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/8 "2020-04-26T01:36:33Z")
> [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > Guys will drop a doomsday just to pop a frigate. Thats the most elite form of PVP. ---
**Author:** ![Kaely\_Tanniss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaely_tanniss/32/474209_2.png) [@Kaely\_Tanniss](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaely_Tanniss)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/9 "2020-04-26T05:36:00Z")
OP, if you’re looking for a “more personal” experience… perhaps you are playing the wrong game. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/10 "2020-04-26T08:25:40Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Thats the most elite form of PVP. A kill is a kill. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/11 "2020-04-26T09:40:00Z")
Unfortunately wardecs are pretty useless this days and only for structure stuff. It used to be a good tool for actual hunting, but those days are over. Are you the same person who wrote an email to me how I kill those Orcas? ---
**Author:** ![Zappity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zappity/32/502632_2.png) [@Zappity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zappity)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/12 "2020-04-26T10:44:15Z")
I reckon Tipa’s post is best. You can have some great fun with mission runners by getting them to aggress you by stealing loot from their wrecks or attacking their MTUs. The only challenge is getting to their mission site which generally requires a scanning ship. Ideally you would run a frigate or destroyer (you don’t want to be scary) with a covops alt. ---
**Author:** ![Deirdre\_Locke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deirdre_locke/32/193786_2.png) [@Deirdre\_Locke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deirdre_Locke)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/13 "2020-04-26T11:21:09Z")
Yes 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Deirdre\_Locke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deirdre_locke/32/193786_2.png) [@Deirdre\_Locke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deirdre_Locke)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/14 "2020-04-26T11:27:55Z")
> [@Zappity](#): > > The only challenge is getting to their mission site which generally requires a scanning ship My income comes from exploration so I do that all the time. I don’t know how different or more difficult it is to scan for players compared to cosmic sigs but the basic understanding is there. ---
**Author:** ![Zappity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zappity/32/502632_2.png) [@Zappity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zappity)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/15 "2020-04-26T11:38:49Z")
Very similar except you will use Combat probes rather than Core Probes. It’s pretty easy since you are most interested in battleships. Bonus points for role playing a space pirate 🙂 [Zappity's Adventures](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zappitys-adventures/184766/11) ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/16 "2020-04-26T12:39:32Z")
There are various things you can do. But almost all of them require the other party to shoot first, and it is pretty tricky to get that done. - You will need to **make people angry** otherwise they have no reason to attack you. - You will need to **make yourself vulnerable** to attack by being suspect or having a kill right etc. to present an opportunity to get back at you, otherwise they will not attach you. - You will need to **appear vulnerable** and make the other party think they are in a better position and can crush you easily, otherwise they will not attack you. - You obviously need a plan to get the upper hand and **kill them** while simultaneously be aware that at any time random neutrals can show up and help the target kill you instead. Anyway. Carebears and Nullbears always say highsec PvP is super easy, so maybe ask some of those people how to pull that off 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/17 "2020-04-26T20:52:37Z")
While I’ve never done this myself, I’ve often dealt with or just observed those that do, and the short answer is that it boils down to a combination of social engineering and a good understanding of game mechanics in general, and Crimewatch in particular, which are quite complex. An example of the use of the game mechanics for this would be suspect baiting in some ship to get a limited engagement, then bringing an alt in an Orca or a Bowhead to switch to another ship in space. The social engineering part is the most interesting, though. A simple example would be having a friend or an alt engage you while you’re suspect to make your target believe he has a good chance to kill you together, but it can be much more complex than that. There are players that go as far as managing to trick their victims to suicide gank them in their expensive ships, which causes the victim not only to lose that ship, but then also yet another one sometime later because of the KR. ---
**Author:** ![Deirdre\_Locke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deirdre_locke/32/193786_2.png) [@Deirdre\_Locke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deirdre_Locke)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/18 "2020-04-26T21:03:47Z")
Play dumb, play weak, make them rage, present a target, get shot, show fangs. Gotcha. However, you kill them in a BIG ship. Why would they shoot you in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2020, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/19 "2020-04-26T21:06:26Z")
While we are at the social engineering part, the forum is part of it, and people like me read carefully. I remember all the Abyss runners talking about 4/5s with their mains while you still got a suspect flag, or this one guy with the Abyssal fit Nereus posting a video with his fit. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2020, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493/20 "2020-04-27T06:45:26Z")
I really like to flaunt it _big time_ I had exposed my Orca more than most Miners would and so far only Drifters had come to the party. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/killing-orcas-and-other-high-sec-ships/235493.md?page=2)