# Knowledgeminer Vs Dracvlad thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [May 26, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029 "2019-05-26T13:40:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/1 "2019-05-26T13:40:50Z")
@Knowledgeminer give it your best shot tiger! 60% possibility you are a Tora alt… ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/2 "2019-05-26T14:40:46Z")
Hey @Tora_Bushido, Dracvlad didn’t tag you so you might notice (I presume because, since I’m you, that’s not needed), so I did… Would you mind to post here to “confirm” I’m an alt of you, so we may all laugh at this fool for a while? Please… 😁 Also, for those interested in the fun here and wanting to know what this nonsense is about, but not willing to read the whole thread that Dracvlad linked, it all started with my reply to the OP in that thread [here](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-candidate/159244/61). Enjoy. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/3 "2019-05-26T15:51:53Z")
You did notice that I said a 60% chance. And I am man enough to admit if you can prove me wrong, so get to it. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/4 "2019-05-26T15:54:50Z")
Oh no, I did notice you only said 60%, and what I’m hoping to be able to “prove” is that you’re right, not that you’re wrong… 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/5 "2019-05-26T15:58:45Z")
Prove to me that you are not Tora, I have it that there is a 60% chance that you are an alt of Tora. Which reminds me of this: > [@High Sec Candidate](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-candidate/159244/13): > > So my personal experiences: Ganking 100% success. > Being ganked: 100% death. > (and BTW trying to use game mechanics (Logi/ECM etc) to save people from getting ganked… pretty much 0% as well). > > Why is this so? > > When ganking the people I solo-ganked (and then reimbursed, to demonstrate a point to the Gankers talking in my campaign thread) I did my homework and prepared. I succeeded. > > When being ganked (also/mostly on alts), and losing my ship, I assume that the people did theirs. I’ve also lost tanked skiffs to bored Gankers who felt like throwing a group of Taloses at me worth more than my Skiff (even assuming everything dropped). And from this you decided that the OP was asking for a chance based system, ROFL. So if that is the case my suggestion that you are 60% likely to be an alt of Tora is totally valid based on your logic. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/6 "2019-05-26T16:16:26Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Prove to me that you are not Tora, I have it that there is a 60% chance that you are an alt of Tora. You didn’t read (again) what I just said in my previous post, did you? I’m trying to prove that you’re right, not that you’re wrong… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > And from this you decided that the OP was asking for a chance based system, ROFL No, I didn’t decide it from what _you_ just quoted here. I decided it from what _I_ quoted in the other thread, which you’ve so conveniently _not_ quoted here, but which is there in the link I provided for everyone to see if interested… You’ve just proven _again_ who is the one being dishonest here about what others say or don’t say… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/7 "2019-05-26T16:18:07Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > You didn’t read (again) what I just said in my previous post, did you? I’m trying to prove that you’re right, not that you’re wrong… You decided that the CSM candidate wanted a chance based system based on that, so from the fact that you worked with Marmite I decided that there is a 60% chance that you are a Tora alt following your logic. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > No, I didn’t decide it from what _you_ just quoted here. I decided it from what _I_ quoted in the other thread, which you’ve so conveniently _not_ quoted here, but which is there in the link I provided for everyone to see if interested… > > You’ve just proven _again_ who is the one being dishonest here about what others say or don’t say… You are totally dishonest. and butthurt to boot. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/8 "2019-05-26T16:42:48Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You decided that the CSM candidate wanted a chance based system based on that _Again_, it’s not something I “decided” based on _that_. This is a lie no matter how many times you repeat it. I did quote what the OP said in the other thread that was relevant to my reply there. It was something else you’re conveniently _not_ quoting here. But the funny thing is you keep talking about it as if anyone interested couldn’t simply just go check it for themselves, which just proves what a fool you are… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > so from the fact that you worked with Marmite I decided that there is a 60% chance that you are a Tora alt following your logic. LOL. Just in case anyone wonders, my “working with Marmites” so far has been hunting/killing suspects together, bumping war targets at gates that I happened to have marked for being gankers (e.g. Goons), and having in my private AG channel one of them that happened to have been AG in the past too… But yes, don’t let you be fooled. Your “reasoning” following MY own logic, together with what I said in the other thread in reply to something the OP said there (not what you quoted here) would be good proof that I’m Tora. Only I cannot conclusively prove it yet, but hopefully I will soon, be patient. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You are totally dishonest. and butthurt to boot. Yes, yes, because of course you keeping repeating that is enough for others to believe you and nobody is gonna check the facts. No need to go check what everyone said in the other thread, just believing whatever you decide to say here, no matter how irrelevant, is enough… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/9 "2019-05-26T16:48:32Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > _Again_ , it’s not something I “decided” based on _that_ . This is a lie no matter how many times you repeat it. I did quote what the OP said in the other thread that was relevant to my reply there. It was something else you’re conveniently _not_ quoting here. > > But the funny thing is you keep talking about it as if anyone interested couldn’t simply just go check it for themselves, which just proves what a fool you are… You decided that the OP wanted a chance based system from that, it is total bullshite. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > LOL. Just so anyone wonders, my “working with Marmites” so far has been hunting/killing suspects together, bumping war targets at gates that I happened to have marked for being gankers (e.g. Goons), and having in my private AG channel one of them that happened to have been AG in the past too… > > But yes, don’t let you be fooled. Your “reasoning” following MY own logic, together with what I said in the other thread in reply to something the OP said there (not what you quoted here) would be good proof that I’m Tora. Only I cannot conclusively prove it yet, but hopefully I will soon, be patient. I am just following your logic based on the above. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Yes, yes, because of course you keeping repeating that is enough for others to believe you and nobody is gonna check the facts. No need to go check what everyone said in the other thread, just believing whatever you decide to say here, no matter how irrelevant, is enough… You decided that… and I decided that, I used the same level of logic as you did. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/10 "2019-05-26T16:48:37Z")
I’m confused. Didnt tora try running for csm in the past? And doesnt the candidates have to reveal their true identities? Ergo, wouldnt you be able to know who knowedgeminer really is? By comparing names? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/11 "2019-05-26T16:49:30Z")
Is knowledgeminer running for CSM? Nope… ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/12 "2019-05-26T16:50:35Z")
Oh, I thought you guys linked a hisec candidate thread so I assumed you or him or someone was running. Never mind then. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/13 "2019-05-26T16:53:36Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Also, for those interested in the fun here and wanting to know what this nonsense is about, but not willing to read the whole thread that Dracvlad linked, it all started with my reply to the OP in that thread [here](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-candidate/159244/61). Also I’m fine with a 50 50 chance of gank victims surviving. As long as there is a 50 50 chance of Concord not spawning, and therefore the gankers can keep attacking until the target gets killed, and doesnt lose their ships. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/14 "2019-05-26T16:54:38Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Also I’m fine with a 50 50 chance of gank victims surviving. As long as there is a 50 50 chance of Concord not spawning, and therefore the gankers can keep attacking until the target gets killed, and doesnt lose their ships. So you are suggesting a chance based system then? @Knowledgeminer time to give it both barrels!!! ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/15 "2019-05-26T17:00:09Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Also I’m fine with a 50 50 chance of gank victims surviving. As long as there is a 50 50 chance of Concord not spawning LOL, it’s not a matter of whether you’d want such a chance based system (whether on both sides or not), it’s a matter of whether the OP in that thread did say she wanted victims to have a minimum 50% chance to survive. I know it may seem silly, but the whole issue is Dracvlad claims anyone saying the OP said what she said and criticising her proposal because of that, is being dishonest and a pathetic troll. You really need to read some of that thread to fully understand what all this nonsense is about. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/16 "2019-05-26T17:01:44Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > So you are suggesting a chance based system then? Yes. When ganking starts, 50 percent chance victim goes into super super reinforced mode, and 50% chance Concord will spawn on grid. Also, I am sparta-, uh I mean, Tora bushido, knowledgeminer, and dracvlad. I am your alt, stop ignoring me and the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/17 "2019-05-26T17:02:59Z")
You decided from what the OP said that they were asking for a chance based system. That is seriously dumb. No matter how hard you try to deflect from your error. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/18 "2019-05-26T17:03:50Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Yes. When ganking starts, 50 percent chance victim goes into super super reinforced mode, and 50% chance Concord will spawn on grid. So you want a chance based system then… > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Also, I am sparta-, uh I mean, Tora bushido, knowledgeminer, and dracvlad. I am your alt, stop ignoring me and the truth. You can be whoever you want. ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/19 "2019-05-26T17:25:09Z")
Needed a visual: ![Gc3Fuhs](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/f/2f9baaccaf0c91f1651f78c9815bcaf923e06959.gif) Carry on! ---
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029/20 "2019-05-26T20:45:06Z")
The entire freighter bumping thread was an exercise in Dracvlad in running away from his own words, only to make the same debunked claims a few posts later. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/knowledgeminer-vs-dracvlad-thread/162029.md?page=2)