# L4 Bounties not adjusted to difficulty? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve\ **Created:** [May 19, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464 "2021-05-19T19:03:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Imdyna\_Narestar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/imdyna_narestar/32/267002_2.png) [@Imdyna\_Narestar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Imdyna_Narestar)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/61 "2021-05-21T12:51:58Z")
one could have the impression once looking at the recent changes and the … ideas… recently popping up. Actually one should force some guys (not all) at CCP to play their own game. Not in a big power block deep in sov null or stuff but in HS / LS with NPC corp alignment or a small private one. Besides… L4 and “insane” dps? Hack you can do them in a meta T1 fitted battleship with skills at 3-4 if you are not brain afk and stage aggro and take some time. Burners are something different so. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/62 "2021-05-21T14:21:51Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Pick a mission and see what the least optimised ship I can do it in is. you do it backward. Pick a mission, and try to do it in the best speed/cost ship Buffer fit BS are fun when you need to use AB and nanofiber to reduce the incoming damage. ---
**Author:** ![Zatar\_Sharisa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zatar_sharisa/32/276003_2.png) [@Zatar\_Sharisa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zatar_Sharisa)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/63 "2021-05-21T14:24:55Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Pick a mission, and try to do it in the best speed/cost ship This can also be fun: just how fast can you burn it all to the ground? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Azalais\_Selenica](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azalais_selenica/32/354085_2.png) [@Azalais\_Selenica](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azalais_Selenica)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/64 "2021-05-21T14:54:12Z")
I agree, L4 are too easy so reward needs to be reduced. For a well equipped marauder they pose absolutely zero challenge. So my proposals are: - ban t2 battleships from entering mission space - reduce reward on L4 - increase difficulty of L4 ---
**Author:** ![Wombat\_4\_Combat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wombat_4_combat/32/273063_2.png) [@Wombat\_4\_Combat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wombat_4_Combat)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/65 "2021-05-21T15:06:36Z")
solution was already suggested by CCP. moving them all to lowsec and increasing payouts. risk vs reward properly. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/66 "2021-05-21T15:15:54Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Pick a mission, and try to do it in the best speed/cost ship I dont understand the point in trying to find out something that other people have already worked out. If I do it as fast as I can, it just means the content isnt fun to do in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Azalais\_Selenica](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azalais_selenica/32/354085_2.png) [@Azalais\_Selenica](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azalais_Selenica)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/67 "2021-05-21T15:26:09Z")
> [@Wombat\_4\_Combat](#): > > moving them all to lowsec and increasing payouts. > > risk vs reward properly. For that we already have L5s and FW missions, adding anything else to it is redundant. Now we only need nerfs to the existing L4s ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/68 "2021-05-21T15:36:33Z")
How many missions have to be done to refund the cost of marauder? How much new BS will cost? Players will have to do them in cruisers, there’s your balance. Payout is very low compared to other pve activities in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Azalais\_Selenica](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azalais_selenica/32/354085_2.png) [@Azalais\_Selenica](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azalais_Selenica)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/69 "2021-05-21T15:47:58Z")
> [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > How many missions have to be done to refund the cost of marauder? 137 in average. This needs to go up to at least 200, so we’re talking 45% nerfs here. Considering that flying a marauder _properly_ puts you in near complete safety the reward needs to be far far less. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/70 "2021-05-21T15:51:08Z")
Until few catalysts pop on d-scan and your marauder goes puff. Safety is a illusion. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/71 "2021-05-21T16:49:01Z")
Run Lv 4’s in Marauder, means one can get ganked and loose prone to 3B in one go… You run missions faster, but risky, I lost a Vargur once to a 50 Catalyst fleet with bastion up I couldn’t move an inch! Not that easy isks! ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/72 "2021-05-21T16:50:16Z")
exactly! ---
**Author:** ![Azalais\_Selenica](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azalais_selenica/32/354085_2.png) [@Azalais\_Selenica](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azalais_Selenica)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/74 "2021-05-21T17:33:47Z")
> [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > Until few catalysts pop on d-scan and your marauder goes puff. Safety is a illusion. Because seeing combat probes on d-scan is your cue to run like hell burning your ECCM scripts to make it do another scan pass. When you see catalysts or tornadoes landing on grid it is already far too late to do anything. That is why i specifically stressed the word: #### when flying a marauder # properly I lost many things to my own questionable (read: dumb) actions but missioning marauder is like THE safest thing you could do in high-sec short of docking. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/75 "2021-05-21T17:36:24Z")
if he wants to believe that undocking in a marauder is suicide, let him think so. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/76 "2021-05-21T18:24:49Z")
i lost a marauder to gank wen i was a noobie pew pew pew ohhhh a tengu… maye he want to ninja salvage or sumting … destroyers land fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/77 "2021-05-21T18:48:35Z")
As I already wrote, being afraid of ganks is what makes you a newby. So you still are a newby. ---
**Author:** ![Yasshalee\_Kansene](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yasshalee_kansene/32/274322_2.png) [@Yasshalee\_Kansene](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yasshalee_Kansene)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/78 "2021-05-21T19:04:16Z")
If L4 risk to reward is a joke, what is HS ice mining than? Even in absolute overcrowded systems you gain a lot for close to zero risk. You have spawn rates at which you can set your clock and if you intend to travel around a bit you make a bunch of money. If you are lazy you just stay in “your system” and set your stop watch. Wow… compared to that PVE mission running is dangerous as hell. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/79 "2021-05-21T20:31:05Z")
I’m not afraid of anything! It’s calculating risk vs reward, and in that aspects, it’s a high risk vs little reward… ---
**Author:** ![Azalais\_Selenica](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azalais_selenica/32/354085_2.png) [@Azalais\_Selenica](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azalais_Selenica)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/80 "2021-05-21T20:37:57Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > It’s calculating risk vs reward, and in that aspects, it’s a high risk vs little reward… Don’t undock or scary gankers get ya 😱 > [@Yasshalee\_Kansene](#): > > If L4 risk to reward is a joke, what is HS ice mining than? Ice mining no longer works as you just described it. Its now random spawns with random times and much less overall quantity and RIDICULOUS amounts of bots and catalysts basically falling on you like rain ready to annihilate to dust any competition. So fixed, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464/81 "2021-05-21T21:10:47Z")
I just lost another Wolf in Blood Raider Burner Mission… 80Mil ships went puff… This thread ain’t about trolling me… If ya will so, I won’t stop you… I couldn’t care less… It’s about sharing views, cooperation, be polite, stuff like that… This Cruor pulled out something like 280DPS… at least! This is one example WHY I pledge for bounty rebalance. You can find more fitting description in the video text section. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/3/d/53d267e536c91e2137733fdd64c6ccb0e8c58695.jpeg "WOLF Vs CRUOR BURNER - BATTLE LOST") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N9mnkFsPz4) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-bounties-not-adjusted-to-difficulty/312464.md?page=5)