# L4 Missions Need Rewards+ **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve\ **Created:** [June 10, 2019, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915 "2019-06-10T06:41:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/22 "2019-06-10T16:41:42Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > Actually, Distribution missions are the best, though not for the reasons you’d think, and I’ll tell you why: if you know how (I won’t go into details here), you can do a fuckload of distribution missions in an hour, more than 16 (which is required for a storyline); as a result, you can do multiple storylines per day (I’ve easily done like 6 or so in the span of 4 or so hours) in a cheap 20m ship all while semi-AFKing!!!, keeping in mind that Storylines are the only reliable and repeatable way to increase faction standing. Also, these missions only take a few minutes to complete (~1-~5 minutes), you can usually do two at once, and the LP reward is decent relative to how long they take (LP is worth far more than the ISK) Thanks for your response. However faction standing is completely separate to the whole isk payout issue. I don’t have a problem with faction standing. > [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > Wholeheartedly disagree. If this is how you feel, you may need to re-evaluate how you fit your ship and your expectations as to how each ship is intended to be used. I suspect one of the major reasons why you feel this way is because BSes are very imprecise, so their actual damage is far less than their theoretical damage. Remember: Actual Damage = Theoretical Damage \* Precision; if the precision is lacking (relative to your intended target), your theoretical damage doesn’t mean jack ■■■■. There are ways to address this easily both solo and with the help of fleetmates. Feel free to reach out to me on [my discord server](http://discord.lotekofneweden.org) and we can discuss further. Please see my recent thread on high-sec capital ship idea. I want FUN. Battleships (as they currently are) are not FUN. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/23 "2019-06-10T16:42:04Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > Actual Damage = Theoretical Damage \* Precision; For those interested: ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/1/a1a194bc41d38ed5d5dc9b16861ff902b59971a9.png) I’d put it on 50% scale, but apparently the options aren’t available on mobile. At least in desktop mode. I will change it once I’m on my notebook. Apparently the option is missing completely, for some reason. Personally I find Low Accuracy/High precision HILARIOUS, because it’s like INSITING ON MISSING THE TARGET WITH UPMOST SATISFACTION! : D ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/24 "2019-06-10T16:45:59Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > The wealth procured from higher end activities has never been in the form of ISK/Blue loot in the first place, always in the form of (non-blue) loot, salvage, rare drops, etc. Prove it. Right now it’s just empty affirmations. Farming in NS anoms in a super gives more money in raw isk/h that in loot/salvage/escalation. (a 20M bounty anom holds ±10M worth of loot+salvage, + 3% chance of escalation worth 150M average=\> 14.5M total loot+salvage+escalation) Doing incursions gives more money in raw isks that in LP (something like a quarter of the value lies in LP). farming C5 anoms give more blue loot than non-blue loot. The only high end activity that does not produce isks is rorqual mining. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/25 "2019-06-10T16:47:58Z")
On the same thought … how do you make 100mill an hour doing lvl4s? That seems to be quite a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/26 "2019-06-10T16:48:12Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Prove it. Right now it’s just empty affirmations. I’m not going to bother other than to say that Incursions are a notable exception, and the exception does not make the rule. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/27 "2019-06-10T16:48:54Z")
it’s not an exception, it’s a proof you are wrong. an exception to the general rule make this general rule false. And I gave you 3 exceptions to that general rule. ---
**Author:** ![Behrin\_Vega](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/behrin_vega/32/423154_2.png) [@Behrin\_Vega](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Behrin_Vega)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/28 "2019-06-10T16:49:52Z")
yea but if you raise the min wage then the cost of living will also increase even more… though I support a huge increase in value of salvage, loots, and rewards in lp and isk overall for lv 3 and lv 4 missions. I wish CCPlease would put a cap on plex. and find another item in game to allow the value to fluxtuate to greatly… No one has really questioned the value difference here… How long at anyones job will it take to earn yourself the $15 to buy the plex per account? How long do you have to sit there and mine or run missions or rat or gate camp to make the 2 billion isk you need to plex per account? Is there a huge difference? Someone map this out… maybe the value is totally COCKED after all? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/29 "2019-06-10T16:50:53Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > On the same thought … how do you make 100mill an hour doing lvl4s? search on the net you’ll find lots of tutorials. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/30 "2019-06-10T16:55:09Z")
Hm. > [@L4 Missions: 100m+ ISK/hour Solo](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-100m-isk-hour-solo/70565/9): > > highest until it changes, which it will. However you can move along to always be in the best range of isk/lp, while this is very difficult with burners (I tried and the faction standing keeps going down). Plus when I select the offers, I take 2M LP worth and consider the price at SELL of items to buy and price at BUY of items to sell , which means you have some space. It took me one double click and three clicks to have this list of agents, sorted by worth, from the market of Jita. Not a big d… Let’s say it’s doable, but definitely not consistently or for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/31 "2019-06-10T16:56:48Z")
> [@Desmios\_Sanguis](#): > > They are the gameplay played by the most average player, How much isk/hr would you say? ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/32 "2019-06-10T16:57:31Z")
Closer to 50m/hr, excluding Project Discovery done concurrently ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/33 "2019-06-10T16:58:49Z")
you misunderstood that post. In that post I am talking about TOTAL isk/h not RAW isk/h. achieving raw 100M/h consistently is easily doable for anyone (excluding alphas). Alphas can reach 40M raw isk/h I think (waiting for the datas for confirmations). ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/34 "2019-06-10T16:59:27Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > an exception to the general rule make this general rule false. No. You’re mistaking this with theories, which are proven to be false when there’s a single proof that it indeed is false. General rules aren’t theories. The saying that exceptios, in general, confirm the rule is correct. General rules are _general_, which means that exceptions _must_ exist. As a general rule, drinking milk is fine. Lactose intolerant people know this to be true and will confirm the general rule, because there’s nothing wrong with drinking milk. Yet they don’t drink milk, because they can’t properl handle it. The exception confirms the rule. There’s plenty of those, just need to think about it. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/35 "2019-06-10T16:59:50Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > Closer to 50m/hr Hmmm I know you’ve said to not focus primarily or at all on the moolah. But I think I’ve surpassed this or am about equivalent from just site scanning and wormholing. I havent even gotten into ninja gas mining or Lv4 missions… Which means I just lean on the side that Lv4 is comparable to other income sources. Which suggests all basic incomes are “too low” or plex is “too high” or that the game is designed that way. ---
**Author:** ![Behrin\_Vega](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/behrin_vega/32/423154_2.png) [@Behrin\_Vega](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Behrin_Vega)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/36 "2019-06-10T17:01:18Z")
That is sad, I make 500-600 mil an hour, actual isk in cargo after operations and we leave salvage to rust… lol … you all sticking to high sec running missions is ■■■■ isk imo. Im making ■■■■ isk, tbh… by comparrison. Eve has really made it difficult to climb that cliffside I see, unless you bott, or have the $ to sub 6 accounts for a year at least, to get you some decent alts going… ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/37 "2019-06-10T17:01:27Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > Which suggests all basic incomes are “too low” or plex is “too high” or that the game is designed that way. PLEX was never designed to be easily procured by those relying on basic income anymore than those on welfare should be able to comfortably afford a Cadillac PLEXing your account via casual gameplay is only attained with a combination of higher end activity and/or passive income generation. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/38 "2019-06-10T17:02:36Z")
I absolutely hope all participants in this discussion do not wrongly assume that PLEX should be an attainable goal for literally anyone, especially new players. It shouldn’t, for a variety of reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/39 "2019-06-10T17:02:38Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > The saying that exceptios, in general, confirm the rule is correct. not at all. > **[Exception that proves the rule](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule)** > > "The exception that proves the rule" is a saying whose meaning is contested. Henry Watson Fowler's Modern English Usage identifies five ways in which the phrase has been used, and each use makes some sort of reference to the role that a particular case or event takes in relation to a more general rule. > Two original meanings of the phrase are usually cited. The first, preferred by Fowler, is that the presence of an exception applying to a specific case establishes ("proves") that a general rule e... ---
**Author:** ![Behrin\_Vega](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/behrin_vega/32/423154_2.png) [@Behrin\_Vega](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Behrin_Vega)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/40 "2019-06-10T17:04:23Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > PLEX was never designed to be easily procured by those relying on basic income Sure it was, I remember 300 mil plex… and the ease of running c4 - c5 - c6 wh sites giving 600 mil per site or more!!! and being able to run them in just 15 min - 30 min. imo the reason plex is inceasing so much is because of the number of subs is decreasing while the number of botters, super ratters, etc… like ease of big isk, maybe c6 russians too… is greatly increasing ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915/41 "2019-06-10T17:04:56Z")
> [@Behrin\_Vega](#): > > Sure it was, I remember 300 mil plex… and the ease of running c4 - c5 - c6 wh sites giving 600 mil per site or more!!! and being able to run them in just 15 min - 30 min. Here “basic income” refers to easy HS things like L4 missions, not c4-c6 WH sites [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/l4-missions-need-rewards/165915.md?page=3)