# Lack of Crimson Harvest Sites šŸŽƒ **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 7, 2024, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799 "2024-10-07T14:48:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/21 "2024-10-08T20:48:17Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Either the sites werenā€™t really lucrative, so Vets simply ignored them, or like in the winter-event, some sites were accessible only for mining ships and in those sites some special ice was present which lasted long enough that even newbies could get their share. And those also didnā€™t pay that much, so people with 10+ Exhumers also ignored them and mined normal Ice instead for profit. I am talking about pre-triglavian time. Yes they were very lucrative, you could get attribute boosters as a reward - both loot and an event ā€œbattlepassā€. (I wonder why CCP stopped giving these out.) There was 1 site basically in every system in region and the difficulty was easy enough so I could do it as a fresh noob in a t1 thorax. CCP dropped this design on a feedback from players as veteran players complained about lack of difficulty and wanted harder sites. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/22 "2024-10-08T22:31:26Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > That is complete nonsense, as some players would just warp from Site to Site to Site to Site in their Polarized Marauders and farming them for hours and hours. Except in the older event designs, this didnā€™t happen overmuch. A Marauder was overkill and people were doing sites in smaller faster ships and racing to grab the loot at the end. More frequent smaller sites with lesser drops led to more players involved. > [@Syzygium](#): > > The only thing they need to change is that those sites should come in multiple difficulties, accessible for different ship classes, so Newbros can still collect Event Points and do sites without Vets in T3Cs or Marauders constantly outclassing them easily. The higher the system security, the higher the chance for low-difficulty sites, the lower the system security, the higher the chance for high-difficulty sites. This would probably work, as the current design (3 rooms, tough fights, tons of ECM, drone hate, and strong boss) totally favor the Marauder/T3C/wealthy vet players. > [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > I agree, however I have to ask, why this worked in past? Less multiboxing? Multiboxing isnā€™t the issue. Event design that favors high-end ships with meta builds/implants to get big drops is the issue. CCP appears to think that will push players to ā€œget into the endgameā€ but actually it just means 3/4 of the players ignore the event and a relative few higher-end players farm the living heck out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/23 "2024-10-09T00:39:54Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Except in the older event designs, this didnā€™t happen overmuch. A Marauder was overkill and people were doing sites in smaller faster ships and racing to grab the loot at the end. More frequent smaller sites with lesser drops led to more players involved. Which events do you mean? For Crimson Harvest a Marauder always outperforms anything else because of the site design. Same goes for the Guardians Gala Event (they are basically working similar, just with different ships as opponentsā€¦). Winter Nexus drops arenā€™t very valuable, so most vets donā€™t bother to run these. The Dr.Who Crossover had ship limitations and Marauders couldnā€™t be used. Same for the last one where you had to create those filaments (forgot the name, I missed that one). Canā€™t really remember in which one smaller and faster ships would be used, but I had some years break in between. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/24 "2024-10-09T01:59:52Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Which events do you mean? Older event design such as the 2015/16 events (original Crimson Harvest, Purity of the Throne, Operation Frostline etc.). For reference on players reactions: https://embed.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3qe9ht/ccplease_keep_crimson_harvest_style_events_going/?embed=true&ref_source=embed&ref=share > **[Chasing Purity Skins in Querious](https://tagn.wordpress.com/2016/09/19/chasing-purity-skins-in-querious/)** > > I still have not decided if I should acknowledge the obvious backronym of Super Kerr-Induced Nanocoatings and write ā€œSKINsā€ in all caps like an acronym or just go with my gut and call tā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Denyial](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/denyial/32/426393_2.png) [@Denyial](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Denyial)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/25 "2024-10-09T11:35:30Z")
I just quit Eve because of the lack of regular data and relic sites, making at best 30 million isk per day from though the average was 700k isk As for the event sigs, there were stupid amounts of them in the systems i visited. 4 less subs for CCP because of lack of explorer content. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/26 "2024-10-09T12:12:56Z")
![2024.10.08.22.42.47](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/9/8/2988b08058540296c6b0ade1d496f539f3ad23ba.png) ![2024.10.09.12.09.36](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/3/6/936e1bbc170f5986598afd963e5e6ed001766cd3.png) Thats how it looks where I do them, so the ā€œproblemā€ of not being able to find sites is mostly on those who try to find them around the populated areas. Go to the outskirts and space is full of them. ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/27 "2024-10-09T12:46:52Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > That is complete nonsense What makes you an authority on the subject? There should be more sites. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/28 "2024-10-09T13:08:41Z")
> [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > What makes you an authority on the subject? Experience and skill of course. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of unclaimed event sites out there currently. Itā€™s your own fault if you donā€™t find them because you look in the wrong areas. Even doubling the amount of sites wouldnā€™t help you a bit, because those people currently farming them away where you canā€™t find them, would just farm double the amount of sites and you would still find none. Jumped one system: ![2024.10.09.13.26.27](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/3/5/b357fabc42e79d76d31c2ad5e267e442d52ae874.png) ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/29 "2024-10-09T13:53:48Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > because you look in the wrong areas You assume much. And youā€™re still wrong. ![2_destruction_value_by_region](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/f/9/8f9ef3461465aeb80f97e027e535b1e9378faa41.png) ---
**Author:** ![Average\_Bigfoot\_Enjoyer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/average_bigfoot_enjoyer/32/436051_2.png) [@Average\_Bigfoot\_Enjoyer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Average_Bigfoot_Enjoyer)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/30 "2024-10-09T14:17:45Z")
woah, incredible adventure. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/31 "2024-10-09T16:13:17Z")
There is not much to assume, itā€™s basic logic. If you complain about the lack of sites, but I can find more than I can even run, you _are_ looking at the wrong areas. Hell, they even do respawn _while doing them_. ![2024.10.09.16.10.48](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/9/4/0944ab0ec5afc3f7ae9c346b30ee2dde54992fb9.png) ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/32 "2024-10-09T23:44:44Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > you _are_ looking at the wrong areas Ok, tell me the **ONE** system with ALL those spawnsā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Deputy\_Dingus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chief_deputy_dingus/32/434615_2.png) [@Chief\_Deputy\_Dingus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chief_Deputy_Dingus)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/33 "2024-10-10T00:00:00Z")
Iā€™m out of the loop. How much ISK can be made from a single Crimson Harvest site? And how long does it take to run? If theyā€™re super profitable, it would make sense that thereā€™s fewer of them in high sec and more in low sec. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/34 "2024-10-10T01:42:27Z")
> [@Chief\_Deputy\_Dingus](#): > > How much ISK can be made from a single Crimson Harvest site? Itā€™s a bit random. You get: - NPC bounty: around 10-12M ISK (5M is the Boss alone) - Tokens that are worth 1M each, random amount, Iā€™d say 10-40 per site - loot drops that can be worthless or jackpots (Skillboosters for 70 million ISK) I think I get somewhere around 40-50M per site on average and I need like 10 Minutes in a somewhat pimped T3 Cruiser. An optimized Marauder can do the site in like 7 minutes, but travels slower between the systems and also is a nice gankmagnet. A reasonable well fitted HAC needs 12-15min. Thats a pretty nice income for HighSec, but remember the sites are limited and you canā€™t chain them endlessly. And of course those sites have a downside: You are almost constantly tackled in there by multiple opponents. Pointed, Scrambled, Webbed - in every pocket. If Gankers come in and want to blow up your Marauder, HAC, or T3C you have barely a chance to escape. And itā€™s a 90% pvp loot drop event, so they are pretty active right now, looking for Pinatasā€¦ even in systems where they are usually not. So, itā€™s lucrative but not without risk. ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/35 "2024-10-10T10:18:59Z")
@Syzygium I didnā€™t think so. Why mislead people? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/36 "2024-10-10T11:01:28Z")
Sorry, I canā€™t hear you, I am busy running the sites you canā€™t find. ![harvest01](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/f/b/efb0245e7d10c9d34055a53cbe304ee9105a0a1c.png) ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/37 "2024-10-10T18:57:32Z")
šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ How many points do you have? ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/38 "2024-10-10T19:01:37Z")
Now it makes sense. Youā€™re one of those. ![Screenshot_20241010_135824_Chrome](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/a/5/0a508782ead8836f148c30cbd13a71c23fbf1543.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/39 "2024-10-10T19:06:14Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > And of course those sites have a downside: You are almost constantly tackled in there by multiple opponents. Pointed, Scrambled, Webbed - in every pocket. If Gankers come in and want to blow up your Marauder, HAC, or T3C you have barely a chance to escape. And itā€™s a 90% pvp loot drop event, so they are pretty active right now, looking for Pinatasā€¦ even in systems where they are usually not. So, itā€™s lucrative but not without risk. Me in a Tetrimon Base last night in a Raven in a nullsec pocket. Sabre and a Hecate in system. Was only like 3 or 4 rats in when I had to bomp the MJD and bail. Good times. I was well into Hull at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799/40 "2024-10-10T19:09:57Z")
Somethousand of course. The event reward line is already finished, but since there are so many sites, I will probably do it on multiple accounts. You know, the rewards are awesome, I got around 4B loot just from the first one. > [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > Now it makes sense. Youā€™re one of those. Yeah, it does. This is what doesnā€™t make sense: ![nosense](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/9/2/1925de35f2218a7c7ac334cd6751a5dbb6031eba.png) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lack-of-crimson-harvest-sites/463799.md?page=3)