# Lady Melisande Galena wants to insert a TCMC into a freedwoman **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669 "2017-08-09T22:59:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/21 "2017-08-10T14:57:12Z")
Pilots, while I do feel Mr. Nauplius has taken advantage of a vulnerable person, I doubt that she’s doing this against her will. Mr. Nauplius always behaved honorably in his dealings with me, even when he could probably have gotten away with anything. From my conversations with Ms. Shi, it seems that she feels he’s someone who can protect her, and that she’s developing a little bit of an “us against even the world” mentality. She’s become quite defensive, and sees threats and harmful intent everywhere. From what Mr. Nauplius has said, I gather he’s been indoctrinating her into his faith. That’s probably where the cuts are coming from. Attacking her isn’t likely to draw her away from him. And … unfortunately, it seems expressions of concern will be viewed as attacks. If anyone was going to be able to get through to her I would have thought it’d be Lady Galena. So, maybe we should leave her in peace? If there’s anyone who’ll bring her around now, it’s probably herself. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Melisande\_Galena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_melisande_galena/32/10861_2.png) [@Lady\_Melisande\_Galena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Melisande_Galena)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/22 "2017-08-10T15:02:28Z")
I appreciate your vote of confidence, Miss Jenneth, and you are correct. I am not naive about the origins of these cuts. Serena is free to make her own choices and mistakes. I hope she will know she’ll always have a home with me. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/23 "2017-08-10T15:10:10Z")
Love is not only blind, but also deaf. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/24 "2017-08-10T15:13:39Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > Mr. Nauplius always behaved honorably in his dealings with me Well as long as he’s an _honourable_ nut case, everything is fine, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/25 "2017-08-10T15:21:33Z")
Depends on the gimp mask… ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/26 "2017-08-10T15:32:56Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > Well as long as he’s an honourable nut case, everything is fine, isn’t it? No. It isn’t. And I’m not sure why you’d think I believe otherwise, Ms. Ember. My dealings with Mr. Nauplius have always been primarily for the purpose of trying to rescue people from him, as he knows. And as you should. That there are people I believe need rescuing from him kind of implies that I don’t believe everything is fine. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/27 "2017-08-10T15:39:42Z")
I’m not sure why you believe that your impressions of his integrity automatically make his actions trustworthy. Or why you feel the rest of the cluster should immediately trust such assertions. What is it that makes you such a flawless judge of character that you can keep spouting to us how honorable he is as if that actually means anything at all? ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/28 "2017-08-10T16:09:37Z")
Ms. Ember, I’m not big on normative judgments. I’m more interested in understanding and describing things. Even my fight for my own soul is a matter of healthy-constructive/poisoned-destructive, not right/wrong. With rare exceptions, I leave moral judgments to other people. I describe Mr. Nauplius’s behavior as honorable not because I think he’s a good person, but because he’s been consistent about sticking to his own code and principles, which seem to preclude doing things like TCMCing women in order to get them out of their clothes. It’s not a moral judgment; it’s a data point about his behavior, which makes a particular scenario seem less likely to me. If that means he has at least one trait a lot of societies would consider admirable-- oh well? He’s also responsible for most of the more extreme horrors I’ve been exposed to. I want it to stop. If being willing to do some things to that end that normal people won’t-- like hugging “The Butcher” or having tea with him-- makes me a horrible person in your eyes … … I guess … I don’t really care. That’s probably over now anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/29 "2017-08-10T16:35:30Z")
I believe we established a while ago that my opinion is of no concern to you. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Melisande\_Galena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_melisande_galena/32/10861_2.png) [@Lady\_Melisande\_Galena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Melisande_Galena)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/30 "2017-08-10T17:07:17Z")
I am greatly disappointed that what should have been a private matter has been made public and caused many people distress. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/31 "2017-08-10T17:32:11Z")
Contrary to what you might think, I do not wish to destroy the longstanding relationship between Serena and Lady Galena; nor do I wish to be Serena’s only friend in the universe. However, I do not trust Lady Galena’s medical exam and will continue to advise Serena against seeing Lady Galena’s doctors. Because cuts on Serena’s body appear to be a source of distress for Lady Galena, I will advise Serena to use the services of my Blood Raider Scientists, who have extensive experience and skill in healing such wounds. Furthermore, although I will continue to advise Serena against suspicious medical examinations, if she felt it necessary to prove to Lady Galena and the world that she did not have a TCMC inside her, perhaps a doctor chosen by a trusted 3rd party like Aria could be used to perform that particular test only. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/32 "2017-08-10T17:51:25Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > Mr. Nauplius always behaved honorably in his dealings with me, even when he could probably have gotten away with anything. Entering into interactions with the intention of manipulating and using the other person is not honorable, Aria. And that’s what he was doing with you. The only thing that made him decide to look for another chew toy is your service to the Daphitis insulated you from his simplest and most powerful way to work on someone: isolation. ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/33 "2017-08-10T17:52:08Z")
🍿 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Halcyon\_Ember](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/halcyon_ember/32/131702_2.png) [@Halcyon\_Ember](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Halcyon_Ember)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/34 "2017-08-10T17:56:12Z")
You understand. Finally someone does. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/35 "2017-08-10T18:28:44Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > I believe we established a while ago that my opinion is of no concern to you. No … that’s not quite true. I try not to write people’s ideas off quite so easily, Ms. Ember. I’m interested in what you have to say, just… Moral judgments are easy. People make them all the time-- even me. But, I mostly find that they just kind of get in the way-- not of doing what I want, but of seeing the connections between things and how they’re linked together. Seeing the world, in other words, for what it is. I’m used to being judged, and found wanting: after all, most people find someone who deliberately tries not to make moral judgments deeply suspicious, and not without reason. Almost everybody has something to say about what _should be_ … usually more than a little flavored by their own experience and their own perspective. I even kind of wear warning labels-- dressing in black, introducing myself as the Praefecta’s shadow: “I am not someone you will probably think is a good person.” It’s okay. The judgments are inevitable. I try not to let them affect me, beyond mining them for insight. That’s what I mean by “I don’t care.” … I recognize that your own moral sentiment is valid for you, and I don’t question its validity. I just also can’t let myself be blown around by it, so, I let it pass by. Only … > [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > You understand. Finally someone does. … it seems like maybe you’ve been worrying about me a little. Which, I guess, I’m grateful for. Arrendis thinks Mr. Nauplius is a classic narcissistic monster who’s been manipulating me. I … concede the possibility. It’s a risk I’ve been willing to take. Why? Because there’s one reliable way to kill an immortal, and it’s not with a magic sword. We’re only pseudo-immortals, but, there’s no reliable method for making death stick. We can abuse and torture him, try to ignore him and hope he goes away, murder him when we have the chance … probably none of it’s going to work, though. Still, as long as we don’t get close enough to get dirty, it’s not really our problem, right? … And I can see that perspective. “He’s awful. Just stay away.” I can kind of understand, also, not wanting to believe that he could really and sincerely believe every single awful word he says: the Red God, the Blood Age, the importance of sacrificing (murdering) people on the Altar of (the Red) God. It would be so much better, really, if he were just a faker, seeking attention. Just another psychopath (they’re .01 ISK for a dozen in this line of work) (he’d be kind of a standout as far as effort goes, mind)-- no help for it unless and until CONCORD does the sensible thing and pulls his license and his cloning contract and someone can finally just shoot him. Psychopathy. Antisocial personality disorder. Don’t bother looking for humanity; he might as well be a different species. How tidy. It’d be so much less messy than if he’s an ordinary empathetic messed-up (megalomaniacal, probably) human being who just believes a pile of horrible destructive things. Which … maybe someone might somehow find a way to make him see a flaw in. That last bit is the saving grace. The rest is appalling. We don’t want to think of people as being capable of what he does. … Maybe I have kind of a dark view of people, but, actually, I think normal people are completely capable of being that dark. But if that’s true, maybe there’s a chance. How do you kill an immortal? You persuade it to change what it stands for. It was always probably going to be futile. I accepted that when I began. But, maybe if I could help him … maybe he’d actually stop. As I say, it’s probably over, now. But I can’t regret being the sort of person who’d try something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/36 "2017-08-10T18:41:56Z")
To be fair, you haven’t _tried_ the magic sword yet. ---
**Author:** ![Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lunarisse_aspenstar/32/478487_2.png) [@Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lunarisse_Aspenstar)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/37 "2017-08-10T19:32:48Z")
Well… i do have a large spikey Golden Mace that’s kept in the Holy Grape… ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/38 "2017-08-10T19:39:09Z")
… you have a Khumaak in the Holy Grape? ---
**Author:** ![Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lunarisse_aspenstar/32/478487_2.png) [@Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lunarisse_Aspenstar)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/39 "2017-08-10T19:56:24Z")
Different make, design, and model! Not all spikey maces are Khumaaks, although I suppose all Khumaaks are spikey maces! ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669/40 "2017-08-10T19:56:57Z")
Fair enough. Just sounded rather specifically familiar. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lady-melisande-galena-wants-to-insert-a-tcmc-into-a-freedwoman/15669.md?page=3)